Rumor: Qrich to the Knicks?

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  1. og15

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There?s a big difference between Q and Crawford. Q isn?t that much of a chucker than Crawford he?s overall a better scorer than him. He?s a better rebounder than him and a better shooter than him. Q?s field goal percentage is very deceiving. About 60% of the shots he takes are 3-pointers and he shoots a solid 36% from there. Our defense was terrible already; I can?t imagine it worse than it already is. Chances are the Knicks are going after Frye ? a pretty good shot-blocker so we should be okay in the start of the season.</div>
    MrJ, don't decieve yourself, I'm a Clippers fan, and I also support the Suns, and I've seen Q through his career, it's not much of a positive to have him. Yes he has a post up game, but when you actually see him use it, call me. He's a chucker, plain and simple, he camps outside all day, and doesn't do much else. His defense is weak, and at best average, I'll give him props that he is a good rebounder, but outside of that, nothing.

    He's not an efficient scorer because he doesn't get to the line, and while he's not an inefficient shooter because he takes a lot of three's, he's also extremely inconsistent because of it. Let me just say this: He averaged 3.1 FTA PER 48 minutes, that is just absurd.

    He's not a scorer, he's a chucker. The reason I say he's not a scorer is because you can't count on him. If his outside game isn't falling, their's not much else he'll give you. He has a big and strong body, but isn't very willing to go in the post, and he has weak handles, and isn't good at putting the ball on the floor.
     
  2. Mr. J

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    You mean a center, right? That?s exactly why we got rid of Kurt Thomas ? he was a power forward. I like adding Q because it will give us more depth and a great lift off the bench. I?m in favor of having Q start and Crawford come off the bench as an explosive 6th man.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">MrJ, don't decieve yourself, I'm a Clippers fan, and I also support the Suns, and I've seen Q through his career, it's not much of a positive to have him. Yes he has a post up game, but when you actually see him use it, call me. He's a chucker, plain and simple, he camps outside all day, and doesn't do much else. His defense is weak, and at best average, I'll give him props that he is a good rebounder, but outside of that, nothing.</div>
    I know Q might be somewhat of a chucker, I didn?t deny it, but he?s definitely not like Crawford in terms of chucking. Well the Knicks aren?t that good at rebounding at the guard or forward position so he would help us in that.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He's not an efficient scorer because he doesn't get to the line, and while he's not an inefficient shooter because he takes a lot of three's, he's also extremely inconsistent because of it. Let me just say this: He averaged 3.1 FTA PER 48 minutes, that is just absurd.</div>
    I can imagine he didn?t get to the line a lot because he?s mostly outside, but is that because he was being used that way? I don?t think the Suns rely on him to do anything else.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He's not a scorer, he's a chucker. The reason I say he's not a scorer is because you can't count on him. If his outside game isn't falling, their's not much else he'll give you. He has a big and strong body, but isn't very willing to go in the post, and he has weak handles, and isn't good at putting the ball on the floor.</div>
    So basically you?re saying this guy is like Tim Thomas? I don?t live in Phoenix so I wouldn?t know everything about him but based on what I?ve seen from him, he can help the Knicks. Even if he is considered a one-dimensional shooter, why can?t that help the Knicks? Last time I checked, Allan Houston was considered a one dimensional shooter and he worked out for us fine.
     
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    Done Deal

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Suns trade 'Q' to Knicks

    Paul Coro
    The Arizona Republic
    Jun. 23, 2005 09:30 AM

    The Suns have agreed to a trade that sends swingman Quentin Richardson to the New York Knicks for power forward Kurt Thomas and a conditional future first-round draft choice, two sources involved in the talks confirmed Thursday morning.

    Richardson happened to be in New York this morning for an apparel photo shoot when he got the news from his agent and Suns president and general manager Bryan Colangelo. That was news to Richardson, who said he thought he was part of "the core" Phoenix talked about keeping together after the season.

    "It definitely is a shock but I also understand it's a business decision," said Richardson, who signed a six-year contract last summer with Phoenix. "It's something that comes along with being a NBA player. I've gotta roll with it." </div>

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    Good looks with the update, Buckets.

    What's this I'm hearing about us getting their first rounder?
     
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    Horrible.
    Sure, give up a top defensive Power Forward for another offensive-based player. Hooray.
    Let's say hello to some more horrible defense at the 2/3!
    Another offensive-driven player, just what the Knicks need. Who needs defense, right?

    What happened the last time we made a trade to Phoenix?
    Great. Just...great. [​IMG]
     
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    Wow! Who is Isiah Thomas working for? New York or Pheonix? He's been bamboozled twice by the same team. Kurt Thomas is our best defender and best help defender and we're trading him for Q? He was very underwhelming this season. But oh well. At least Kurt Thomas is out of this God forsaken organization and has a shot at winning a ring. And the first rounder isnt too bad either although I would have preferred if it was for the 2005 draft but Isiah Thomas isnt that bright so I'm not surprised. Isiah Thomas will stop at nothing to gather a team of useless athletes who have not the vaguest idea of how to play good basketball and even less of an idea of how to play defense. That's Isiah Thomas for you.


    Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
     
  8. Custodianrules2

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow! Who is Isiah Thomas working for? New York or Pheonix? He's been bamboozled twice by the same team. Kurt Thomas is our best defender and best help defender and we're trading him for Q? He was very underwhelming this season. But oh well. At least Kurt Thomas is out of this God forsaken organization and has a shot at winning a ring. And the first rounder isnt too bad either although I would have preferred if it was for the 2005 draft but Isiah Thomas isnt that bright so I'm not surprised. Isiah Thomas will stop at nothing to gather a team of useless athletes who have not the vaguest idea of how to play good basketball and even less of an idea of how to play defense. That's Isiah Thomas for you.


    Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.</div>
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know Q might be somewhat of a chucker, I didn?t deny it, but he?s definitely not like Crawford in terms of chucking. Well the Knicks aren?t that good at rebounding at the guard or forward position so he would help us in that.</div>
    Not somewhat, that's all he is, but I guess he could help in that area. I don't know if the Knicks are a good or bad recounding team overall, so I don't know how much impact that will make.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I can imagine he didn?t get to the line a lot because he?s mostly outside, but is that because he was being used that way? I don?t think the Suns rely on him to do anything else. </div>
    Well the Suns did add to his liability at getting to the line, but it's not because they said don't drive, it's because he wants to stay outside. His last year as a Clipper he led the team in FGA, yet he was the 3rd leading scorer, and the 2 other guys [Brand and Maggette]who averaged about 2 less shots per game scored about 3 more PPG.

    Career FTA PER 48 minutes: 4.1
    Last year as a Clipper: 4.2

    Not really any better, at most he'll get to the line 1 more time per game PEr 48 minutes, it's really bad.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So basically you?re saying this guy is like Tim Thomas? I don?t live in Phoenix so I wouldn?t know everything about him but based on what I?ve seen from him, he can help the Knicks. Even if he is considered a one-dimensional shooter, why can?t that help the Knicks? Last time I checked, Allan Houston was considered a one dimensional shooter and he worked out for us fine.</div>
    Allan Houston was a one dimensional shooter that could create his own shot very well, and had more to his game than catch and shoot three's. He could put the ball on the floor, had a nice post game, and was a scorer that could shoot. Q-Rich is a one dimensional chucker that can't create his own shot effectively, and really wouldn't be put in the same realm as Houston.

    I guess he could help you guys, but just don't expect too much because you will be dissapointed. I hope to hear the complaints next season as he starts chucking up his three's.
     
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    Yea, this definitely isn't going to help the Knicks out. He seems appealing when you watch him on other teams, but you really start to hate his flaws after you watch his game a lot. Kinda like Jamal Crawford. He does rebound well for a guard, but I don't think the Knicks are going to use him any different than the Suns. I see him sitting at the corner and chucking up threes for 5 years.
    It's good that the Knicks have someone to replace Thomas at the 3, but there are so many other needs that should be addressed before that. And now they have no one who can even pretend to be a center. Hopefully Frye doesn't turn into the 2005 version of Rafael Araujo...
     
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    LOL. I agree. Q does jack up 3's more than anybody I've seen in my life. I just don't understand Isiah's way of thinking. You have about 200 PF's on you're team and they're all undersized. Why not got after a Center, or any kind of legit bigman. Instead of filling obvious holes, he goes after another guard (WTF). I mean, c'mon Isiah. You're wasting millions on trash.
     
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    Isiah is at least predictable... He wants a 3 guard lineup. At least you can count on him not drafting a guard or forward unless Martell Webster or Gerald Green or Antoine Wright intrigue him enough.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GiantMidget:</div><div class="quote_post">^Well,the Knicks gm IS Isiah Thomas [​IMG] .Could have repeated exactly what you said for half the trades/signings the knicks have made.</div>

    Wasn't Isiah Thomas the GM that said the only High Schoolers worth a Lottery Pick was Gerald Green and Monta Ellis [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]!!!
     
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    Some sources say we get a first rounder and other say Suns get it. If "Q" brings his old game just like when played with the Clippers then we definatley have a steal. I do not know how Kurt will fit in the Suns system because he isn't a fast pace type of guy. Although he should definatley get good looks with him and Nash creating the pick and roll with Kurts sweet jumper.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Wasn't Isiah Thomas the GM that said the only High Schoolers worth a Lottery Pick was Gerald Green and Monta Ellis [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]!!!</div>

    Wasn't Isiah Thomas who drafted T-Mac and Trevor Ariza (2nd Round) ?
     
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    I think this is a good deal for both teams....probably more in favour of NYK. The Knicks get rid of one of their 6 powerforwards who was due to make a ton of money till he was 37 years old!!! They get a talented young player with an inside outside game and years to develop farther. He does need to become more aggressive offensively, sure he's a chucker but Knicks forum fans have been celebrating Crawford for the past year so why not Q? I dont think NY could of gotten any more from any other team in the league given Thomas age and contract length.

    Also i thinK KT's defence is very overrated. He's a better than man on man defender but not terrific or anything and he's not a shot blocking presence or great weak side defender(merely average). That said he's still valuable, but not indespensible. The Knicks traded a promising center in Nazr(who now starts at center for a finalist team) for a HORRIBLE contract and what are basically 2 second round picks. I certainly dont think this deal is as bad as the Nazr deal or the Taylor deal both of which were supported by the fans on this forum.

    The pick is the only thing that i'm not sure of, i dont have complete information about when this pick is or its round/protection details so i cant comment. But player for player i think its pretty good.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Not somewhat, that's all he is, but I guess he could help in that area. I don't know if the Knicks are a good or bad recounding team overall, so I don't know how much impact that will make. </div>
    This was the same guy who won the 3-point shootout, the one who set a Suns season record with three?s and had the most three?s this season along with Kyle Korver. Actually when it comes rebounding at swingmen the Knicks aren?t too good. The most rebounds at swingmen goes to Tim Thomas with 3.3 a game. Q will definitely help in that aspect.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the Suns did add to his liability at getting to the line, but it's not because they said don't drive, it's because he wants to stay outside. His last year as a Clipper he led the team in FGA, yet he was the 3rd leading scorer, and the 2 other guys [Brand and Maggette]who averaged about 2 less shots per game scored about 3 more PPG.

    Career FTA PER 48 minutes: 4.1
    Last year as a Clipper: 4.2

    Not really any better, at most he'll get to the line 1 more time per game PEr 48 minutes, it's really bad. </div>
    That?s true, but what was wrong with that? He thrived off Nash?s penetration and hit the outside shot? That doesn?t hurt the Knicks and taking into consideration he?s only 25, he has a lot of time to learn. What?s the point of driving when you can shoot the three ball so well? All I see happening at the least is the ball being kicked out to him when Marbury penetrates.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Allan Houston was a one dimensional shooter that could create his own shot very well, and had more to his game than catch and shoot three's. He could put the ball on the floor, had a nice post game, and was a scorer that could shoot. Q-Rich is a one dimensional chucker that can't create his own shot effectively, and really wouldn't be put in the same realm as Houston.

    I guess he could help you guys, but just don't expect too much because you will be dissapointed. I hope to hear the complaints next season as he starts chucking up his three's.</div>
    With Marbury around, he won't really need to create his own shots. I also expect Sweetney to start drawing more double teams which should open up the floor more for him. Also he has a post game as you told me so why are you saying he can?t create his own shot? His role in Phoenix wasn?t to go down low and post up; it was to shoot three?s in transition. The thing about Q is he is 25 and has a lot to learn and he can still learn.

    I?m sure he will be okay with us. I honestly think he?ll be better than you think.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks:</div><div class="quote_post">Wasn't Isiah Thomas who drafted T-Mac and Trevor Ariza (2nd Round) ?</div>

    Well too bad he don't have T-Mac!!! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">I think this is a good deal for both teams....probably more in favour of NYK. The Knicks get rid of one of their 6 powerforwards who was due to make a ton of money till he was 37 years old!!! They get a talented young player with an inside outside game and years to develop farther. He does need to become more aggressive offensively, sure he's a chucker but Knicks forum fans have been celebrating Crawford for the past year so why not Q? I dont think NY could of gotten any more from any other team in the league given Thomas age and contract length.</div>
    First of all, the Knicks had five power forwards; not six. So they now have four on their roster. You said this is a good deal for us, but don?t you dislike Crawford? Q is a chucker so why would you like this trade for us? I agree, I think we got the best player for Thomas that we?ll ever get.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Also i thinK KT's defence is very overrated. He's a better than man on man defender but not terrific or anything and he's not a shot blocking presence or great weak side defender(merely average). That said he's still valuable, but not indespensible. The Knicks traded a promising center in Nazr(who now starts at center for a finalist team) for a HORRIBLE contract and what are basically 2 second round picks. I certainly dont think this deal is as bad as the Nazr deal or the Taylor deal both of which were supported by the fans on this forum.</div>
    I don?t think his defense is overrated in fact, I think it?s the very opposite. Kurt Thomas is a superb low post defender and although he might not be a shot-blocker, obviously he was good enough for Phoenix. The Suns were trying to get further and knew a defensive big man like Kurt Thomas would help them more in the long run.

    Nazr Mohammed was good, but where do you get the idea he was great? The Knicks got Malik Rose a player with a horrible contract who is better than Nazr Mohammed. They also get two first rounders and don?t say they?re second because they?re first round picks. You?re judging the picks before the season even starts too. How can you do that? Don?t think that good players can?t be taken in the late first round because history as shown us that it?s not true. Hypothetically if the Knicks draft Andray Blatche with their 30th pick this year and in three years from now when Nazr is declining, he?ll only become a rising star in the league.

    The Taylor deal we traded two basically invaluable players for a decent low post threat off the bench. His contract also expires in 2007 with Shandon Anderson (yes, unfortunately we still have him on the salary cap). It was a pretty good move for us in my opinion.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The pick is the only thing that i'm not sure of, i dont have complete information about when this pick is or its round/protection details so i cant comment. But player for player i think its pretty good.</div>
    I believe the pick is a first rounder for us next year but I?m not 100% sure.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post">Well too bad he don't have T-Mac!!! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]</div>
    Good thing he has Ariza though. [​IMG]
     

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