According to hoopshype, we're in the mix for Eddy Curry

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  1. upsidedownside7

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    Check the rumors section for www.hoopshype.com

    I really don't know what to make of this. He's a skilled big man but defense and rebounding aren't his strengths. He shoots a good % but his heart condition is a problem. Maybe for the right deal but this could blow up in our faces. I have no idea about this.
     
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    Mullin said there's still a chance he could add someone to the roster, using part or all of their available $5.2 million trade exception.

    According to Mullin, the Warriors have had "internal" talks about Chicago Bulls center Eddy Curry, a restricted free agent, and are interested in a handful of other players.

    According to the contra costa times it seems like Mullin is dangling the TE. Interesting...
     
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    Hopefully this is just Hoop hype. From what I have I read Curry isn't even in shape this summer. Last year he worked hard in the off season to get his weight down and he was in the best condition of his short basketball life. I don't like him much because he only does one thing, score. He doesn't rebound or play much defense. I really don't think he is a good fit for our young hard working team. Not to mention his heart condition. I've said before that it is mind boggling that he won't take the dna test for his condition. Any normal person (people like us) would take the test immediately. It seems that Curry and his agent are more interested in money than in health. Remember Hank Gathers and Reggie Lewis?

    bring on the season!
     
  4. Warriors Redux

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">
    According to Mullin, the Warriors have had "internal" talks about Chicago Bulls center Eddy Curry, a restricted free agent, and are interested in a handful of other players.
    </div><font color="navy">I don't really see this as saying "we're in the mix" for Eddy Curry. Mullin stated "internal" talks which most likely means they have been talking around the office about whether Curry is worth the risk and what would they give up to get him. I'm sure every front office in the NBA are having the same discussions... doesn't mean we're actually throwing out offers.</font>
     
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    I would take Curry with the MLE in a heartbeat, no pun intended...
     
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    if we could get curry for the TE and a two firsts(ours and philly's) then i am all over it. Doubt Pax would pull the trigger, but there is a chance.
     
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    The TE expired already...
     
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    My friend and I were talking and we thought maybe a Murphy for Curry deal would make sense, now hear me out before you jump down my throat. Murph is one of my favorite players, but he is limited, he cannot defend, he rebounds well, but that is just because our second best rebounder is Jrich, he obviously shoots from the outside well, but with this team we don't need another guy jacking up 20 footers, he definitely brings a toughness and swagger to the team, but I think Baron has filled that void. Curry on the other hand is a true center who can post up and score at will, the question remains does he have a will, but think about it the guy is 22, enormous, played in his hometown with all those distractions, staight out of highschool, on a bad team (until last year). He averaged 16 points a game, a terrible 5.3 boards, and a pourous .9 blocks, but you can't teach size.

    If we did that trade Foyle can move to the four when we want to go defensive, or we are playing teams like the Spurs and Rockets, Diogu can pick up Murphs scoring slack, and post up (hopefully) better than Murph and we have a legitimate low post threat who is over 6'6, which Monty prefers.

    The reason I say Murph is because last year when we expressed interest in Curry, it seemed like Dunleavy was the most likely candidate, but I want him to stick around, he seemed to play very well with Baron and I love hearing about his off season work. Plus Chicago gets a tough, bruiser, who can shoot at the 4, which they lack, so they would be Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Murph and Chandler.

    Let me know what you think, I don't think our TE and a couple late draft picks would get this guy or , he is still coveted.
     
  9. Custodianrules2

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    BTW welcome back Mister Keith Jennings [​IMG]

    Personally, I think the move is kind of a wash because both players will give you impact in a limited amount of ways. While Murphy is a top 10 defensive rebounder, excellent midrange shooter with great work ethic, his upside is so limited and he's not as versatile as the other players like Andris Biedrins/Ike Diogu/Chris Taft, especially on defense. If we threw in a true center in Eddy Curry next to somebody like Ike Diogu, we're going to suffer in a lot of other areas like turnovers, not being able to rebound the ball after playing defense, and maybe even worse defense etc. But Curry does shoot a high fg% and he draws double teams in the paint when he's not forcing the issue. Anytime we have a big dude that nobody can guard, that adds more spacing on the floor. We all know Ike can post up and shoot the long ball, so I think it would give Curry the chance to play with some better floor spacing on his end and Ike would be able to start right away, and Dunleavy would finally have some inside presence to work with. If Curry was a better passer out of the outlet and less greedy, he'd be more of an impact player, so I don't know if Curry would make the team better or if he'd be just a blackhole on offense and continued big time underachiever on D.

    If it were possible to give up Murphy, Foyle, or some draft picks that we won't use to get him, I'd say get him maybe. Centers are so freakin' hard to come by, that most teams will use power forwards instead. It's just not the same. The only thing thing attractive about Curry is the fact he's big and athletic like a 6'10-6'11 Shaq with polished scoring. He could be a dominant player in the post, but he's probably going to wind up like Michael Olowakandi.

    What's attractive about Murphy is he came into the league with comparrisons to Todd Fuller or some tall, slow jumpshooting one dimensional player and he ended up being better than most people thought he was. When he's not falling in love with the 3, forcing shots and he's wide open from 18 feet, it's automatically in. He also can do some cool dribbling from time to time with the behind the back stuff. He's always improving, has great work ethic, very very tough when it comes to playing through injury. In fact, he hadn't really complained about his thumb or his foot even though it was clearly bothering him. He looked slower and less springy than in recent years too. Pretty good dunker too when he's actually aggressive enough.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">The TE expired already...</div>


    not from the cliffy trade
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    That is true because we just traded Cliffy only 6 or 7 months ago. What's the point of using a TE if it only lasts 6 or 7 months?

    I just don't think the deal will happen because what's in it for the Bulls? Is it even possible for Murphy to be traded easily for him? I mean the best we can give is either a promising French two guard (which we want to hold onto), one of our 2nd rounds, or Troy Murphy who is in between a starter and a bench player. I doubt they bite on Foyle, but it would be wonderful for the Bulls if they did. <Sarcasm>

    I hope rumors about Dunleavy being re-signed don't affect who we deal in the process should this trade go through. I'll deal some lottery protected first rounders, but not Pietrus, Zarko.

    If the Chicago deal happens to be something other than Curry like Foyle for Antonio Davis, heck I'd like that too.

    I guess it's fun to think about, but when they mean "internal talks" is it just the Warriors talking amongst themselves?
     
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    if it is any sort of deal it would be something like CliffyTE/06' first/Philly's pick(that will prolly turn out to cash considerations due to restrictions) for curry signed to mle.
     
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    Well, we heard of Curry rumor for entire summer, so there must be some sort of interest in our side. Of course, the problem is how to get it.

    Bulls will not just give away Curry since they have an advantage. Also, there is no way for him to sign any deal less than 3 years, because he would lose bird right if he does so. If he signs MLE, I would be extremely surprised, because I don't think his value is that low.

    Since, Murphy is BYC, I don't see the trade involving Curry-Murphy swap. I don't think the deal will match.

    I would love to see Curry deal happening, but I certainly won't hold my breath for it...
     
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    Barry Larkin has a couple of brothers who were standout athletes-despite having irregular heartbeats. Byron was an All State is Basketball-and a Parade All-America Safety in football. He was a 4 yr starting G at Xavier-averaging over 20ppg,and is XU's career scoring leader. Youngest brother Steven,entered HS about the time Hank Gaithers died-and as he had an irregular heartbeat-could not play any HS sports. Despite that,he got a baseball full ride to U. Texas-did well-was drafted and played several years in the minors. Oldest Larkin brother Mike was a starting LB at Notre Dame as a soph- a pro prospect,but had a knee injury. he never had any heart questions.

    The point is there is a wide range when it comes to "irregular Heartbeat" issues-and with Curry,there is so far no solid info out in public. Logically,before the W's deal for EC they would have to get a real clear sense of what the odds are. add to that uncertainty the other point-whether Curry ever becomes a complete player,as well as what contract demands may be-and what the Bulls demand-and it seems unlikely we do a deal.
     
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    I would not know whether to pull the trigger on this move unless we offered up Foyle or something equally desirable in parting with. [​IMG]

    Aside from the heart stuff, I just can't believe Curry wanted the max awhile back when he's just so one-dimensional... If he doesn't get the ball, he's basically wasted money. But the inside scoring impact is something we desire. The problem is his poor defense might cancel all that. Then also he hogs the ball too much so I don't know if he can be a good passer out of a double team.

    It is ironic that the guy who is playing with heart problems has problems playing with heart.

    Also, we really have to worry about salary... I wouldn't want us to lock that guy up over Biedrins. Not unless he's proven to be an effective all around center.
     
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    If we gave up Foyle we'd be inviting other teams to score at will on Defense. Foyle would Have to be here.
     
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    If we could get him without giving up anyone other than Foyle, I'd be for it. The heart is such a question mark though. Dealing anything of good value would be to big a risk for me.

    "Internal talks" sounds like internal, between the coaching staff and GMs. The fact that Mullin said this to a reporter is what's intriguing.
     
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    Hey welcome mylie. Yeah I think everyone feels the same pretty much. Great potential, questionable heart (in more than one context). Leaking "internal talks" is hard to say whether reporters are b.s.ing because of a slow offseason or Mullin leaked it out on purpose to give Chicago the idea to be the first western conference team to discuss trades with us.

    We really don't have to make any moves this season if he we played like the last half of last season. Also the Bulls hold Curry as a restricted free agent and they're still trying to sort out what they can get for him before Curry refuses to play and wants out. His value seems low, but some other teams desperate for some size might drive his trade value up, especially because of the dearth of potential dominant scoring centers in the league.

    The problem is we definitely have to watch our payroll for future years and consider the fact that teams will want to keep Curry's bird rights so he can be re-signed if he breaks out into something like Shaq in terms of inside scoring. If Dunleavy gets re-signed as many people think he will because of Mullin, Chicago might just ask for Pietrus if they are offering up Curry. Then we just risked taking on a guy like Curry with potential heart trouble or work ethic problems. Then we've just sunk a bunch of money in there that makes the Foyle and Fisher signings look solid. Plus, we'd have two big men that can't defend, won't pass or won't defend and rebounding would still be a problem since only one of the two actually crashes the boards.
     
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    Frankly, if we actually pull Curry trade, I think adding Pietrus to the mix is very likely.

    I am starting to think that chance of getting Curry are getting bigger and bigger (while it's still not good to say the least). Because of all those DNA test and stuff, their relation is getting sour quickly, and they may reach a point where they say enough is enough. Bulls may cut the loss and Curry may want to escape from Bulls ASAP, accepting relatively cheap contract for next 3 years, such as our MLE via sign and trade.

    For our case, if we sign Dunleavy, that basically means we can't afford signing Pietrus. Of course, adding Curry's contract for Pietrus' rookie contract will only make our financial situation worse. With our financial situation, it will definitely a burden. But, if we can keep Curry's contract under 3 years (anything over 3 years are NOT welcome) and cheap, maybe we can do something about it. After all, cheap and short contracts are always welcome, easy to remove, and even if Curry retires due to heart problem, the risk isn't that big because the contract isn't big and we can waive his contract for luxury tax relief.

    Yes, he has his share of short coming like rebounding and defense. But, he brought a lot to Chicago as well. After all, the main reason why Chicago lost to Wiz is because of Curry. If we can get that kind of game changer and a dominating big man for cheap and short contract, I really wouldn't mind getting him despite our financial problem, because this kind of chance doesn't come that many times...
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. I know Chicago likes Murph but they signed Songalia. Pietrus would be a huge addition for Chicago. Pietrus is a much better prospect than Curry but if Chicago takes Foyle's deal then that evens out. We'd probably have to throw in a 1st as well. Thinking about Biedrins and Curry in the same frontcourt is tempting....
     

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