KNBR just said Dunleavy deal is done.

Tayshaun Prince got $47 mil from the Pistons, just 2 more than Dunleavy.

You don't mention Tayshaun Prince and Mike Dunleavy in the same sentence. Offensively, both can shoot, while Dunleavy is a better slasher and passer, but Prince owns him on the defensive end of things.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Tayshaun Prince got $47 mil from the Pistons, just 2 more than Dunleavy.

You don't mention Tayshaun Prince and Mike Dunleavy in the same sentence. Offensively, both can shoot, while Dunleavy is a better slasher and passer, but Prince owns him on the defensive end of things.</div>

That is exactly what I am talking about! That is why I am so mad at Mullin for caving in again.

I think our forum slogan needs to be "Golden State Warriors: Were mediocre players come for max contracts"

 

I told you guys this deal would happen at this price 2 months ago, look it up, I had some insider info. I think it's very good for the Warriors, we have always lacked consistency, and now we are secure for at least 4 years. I love Pietrus as much as the next guy, but him and Jrich cannot start together, too similar offensively, plus we still have him for two years, and he is great trade bait. Someone said it earlier, but with Mullin being an ex-player he knows how much a contract can weigh on a player and he knows that consistency within a team is huge. Dunleavy is a player who plays much better with smart, quality basketball players around him, just look at how he played at the end of the year. The guy shoots close to 40% from downtown, rebounds well, can handle it, and is a great passer when people cut. He is the glue.

I also agree with whoever said Murph is a bigger defensive liability than Dun, and I think, although I would hate to have to face them year after year in the playoffs, that a Pietrus and Murphy for Nene and an expiring contract or something would make a lot of sense for both teams.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, 9 mils really was a market price for Dunleavy, so that's why I expected 9 mils if he ever signed a contract. And, that's why I hope Mullin waits one more season, because I believed that both Dunleavy's value and market value were inflated, and we were destined to overpay Dunleavy. Now, Pietrus is basically gone, no matter what he does this season, and we will have to tear our young talents and picks to just get rid of bad contracts, if there is any taker.</div>

This is the main point. All in all it's not a bad deal, but he should've waited. And I think that losing Pietrus isn't necessarily the worst thing for the franchise. If JRich steps his game up this year, then moving Air France, Fisher and Murphy/Foyle for a talent upgrade at the 4 or 5 might be the bump that this team needs. We'll see

 

I dont know how $9m per season is the market value for a guy who is at best the 3rd option, only scores 15ppg and plays hardly any individual defense...

Prince is a bargain at his contract amount...

 

Prince also has a ring. I predict Pietrus will blow up and then we won't be able to extend his contract. And I will be one pissed off guy...

 

Yeah, my question with all these huge long term contracts is what happens if we want to resign some of our rookies and previous draft picks when their time comes up?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">This is the main point. All in all it's not a bad deal, but he should've waited. And I think that losing Pietrus isn't necessarily the worst thing for the franchise. If JRich steps his game up this year, then moving Air France, Fisher and Murphy/Foyle for a talent upgrade at the 4 or 5 might be the bump that this team needs. We'll see</div>

Dunleavy's contract may be a market price, because other players new contract inflated the value. But, that doesn't mean it is his actual value or we only have a choice to pay market price. I mean, Fisher's market value last year was 6 mils per year just a year ago, and we were able to smell problem right after the signing. Really, if Mullin wanted, he could play hard bargain and possibly lower the amount of contract. Look at Chicago. Their core player a year ago was Curry and Chandler. But, instead of locking them up for years, Bulls chose to wait and observe one more year. Therefore, Bulls were able to avoid potential disaster with Curry's heart problem, and while still overpaid, they were able to avoid paying max to Chandler. There are so many things can happen in one year. Pietrus can blow up, while Dunleavy becomes liability, Dunleavy can suffer career ending injury, or unexpected SF can wind up with us. If we didn't sign Murphy last year, we could have signed Rahim for close to MLE, since Rahim's agent called us first instead of Kings.

In summery...

Best possible scenario:
- We may have to sign Dunelavy 10 or 11 years per year, instead of 9 mils per year, because Dunleavy had a brilliant 05-06 season, scoring 18+ pts, rebounding 6+, assisting 4+, and decent defense.
- Chance of losing Dunleavy: 0%.

Worst possible scenario:
- Pietrus turns into stud and clearly better fit then Dunleavy, so Pietrus turns out to be an obvious choice.
- Dunelavy suffers career ending injury
- Dunleavy's defense was really exposed and become unfit in our current system.
- We hold restricted FA right, so no team offers a deal to Dunleavy. We end up signing him for 7-8 mils per year, which is a mil over his actual value, because nobody is offereing a deal.
- We got sweet deal to sign good SF at bargain price or acquire somebody in Davis like trade.

I don't have too much problem with GM overpaying FAs, because bad teams are destined to overpay FAs. But, I do have a serious problem when GM doesn't explore and exhaust number of options available and decide everything prematurely, especially when the downside is small and upside can be very big. For that, this deal was quite a bad one...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, my question with all these huge long term contracts is what happens if we want to resign some of our rookies and previous draft picks when their time comes up?</div>

We are committed average 60 mils per year for next 4 years with Davis, Richardson, Dunleavy, Murphy, Foyle and Fisher. Next year's salary starts below 60 mils mark, but those 6 contracts increases around 4-7 mils per year, so when we are about to sign Biedrins, Monta or Taft, we will be over the luxury tax line with just those 6 players. Luxury tax line in this year is 62 mils btw. If Cohan refuses to pay luxury tax, forget about signing rookies. We may have to trade picks and rookies to just remove bad contracts. In other word, it looks very bleak. And, you can just go ahead and forget about Pietrus...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont know how $9m per season is the market value for a guy who is at best the 3rd option, only scores 15ppg and plays hardly any individual defense...

Prince is a bargain at his contract amount...</div>

He does more than his 15ppg. Dunleavy starts breaks, fills the lanes on offense and defense and already shown a swagger that, if sticks (this contract is the kind of thing that will build this kid's confidence even more) will be invaluable. Hes not a good individual defender, but he plays ok team defense, and is one of the few players on the court who knows what to do when they get into a half court offense. Not to mention that his shot looks great thus far. Davis said in the off season that he sees Dunleavy as the 3-point champ this year, I don't think that's too much of a stretch. He spaces the floor well, moves well without the ball, and hustles. Now... does all of that warrant $9 mill.... that's debatable, certainly I doubt he should've gotten it now. This should've been a 2006 offseason deal. But you're not giving him his due resepect either.

Dunleavy's gonna turn some heads this season. Don't forget that Guys like Peja started off as terrible defenders but have become decent defenders with hard work. And by the look of Dunleavy's physique this year, he has surely busted his butt working on getting stronger. I'm really looking forward to this season.

 

I guess this means Mullin think he did not make a mistake with the Fisher/Foyle/Jrich or Murphy signings last year. If he had conceeded he made a mistake with at least Murphy. I mean the Fisher deal was stupid completely. The Foyle deal was understandable. The Jrich deal was a steal IMO and the Murphy deal was over priced especially for his lack of versatility and defense.

 

I'm not buying the notion that this kicks any particular player out the door. The W's will have Bird rights,can match RFA offers when the time comes. It could be that J Rich is the guy traded in a big package for a star. Many options exist over the next few years. I see Dunleavy's alleged deal as $2-3 mill too high per year,and,with some other W's having big contracts-it adds up. I assume that Mullin got a clear signal that Cohen is willing to pay the cost of becoming a contender,I can't see any point in being optimisic and generous with a half dozen guys-then switching to a cheap strategy. Pietrus,Diogu,Biedrens,Zarko,are going to find opportunity to establish their value.

I do figure that the W's will NOT be looking at FA's much,all we could get are MLE and less,and it's a lot cheaper to fill out the roster with a second rounder or a walk-on like Miles,so the W's figure to be cautious with the last few roster spots.

 

But say Dunleavy does blow up, would the market command more than 9 mil/year out of him at the end of the season? Frankly, if he does blow up I'd expect him to get a 9 mil/year contract. Not give him 9 mil/year before he blows up (which I have a feeling won't happen). This extension doesn't make sense to me.

 

Well, one thing is abundantly clear: The Warriors are stockpiling "good" people. Fisher, Murphy, Foyle and now Dunleavy are all good citizens. Not one of them is even close to being an all-star player but they are all "good" people.

I don't see Fisher lasting past the trade deadline in February. The Lakers are an obvious destination but I'm not sure we want to trade in our own division.

Pietrus is the big question mark. He can score and when he wants too is an all-star defender. I don't see him doing much early in the season, tired as he is from the Euro league summer.

Is Mullin a genius? After signing Foyle, Murphy and Fisher we all said no. After he got Bdiddy we all said hmmm, maybe Mullin has a plan we can't see.

We have one great player in Baron and a whole lotta pieces. We need a stud to play inside. Until Mullin brings us this player I am not expecting too much from this team. We are one injury away from a dismal year.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">He didn't outplay his contract, he just stepped into a starting role instead of coming off the bench. Teams around the league already knew Manu would be a star. He led Argentina to the gold medal and was the best player in the Olympics. The Spurs just did a great job of negotiating with him and taking away a lot of his options by waiting. The Clippers also did this with Maggette and Brand when they became free agents. Mullin has to do a better job of selling the Bay Area (probably one of the best places to live in the world) and convincing these guys winning is more important than their salaries.</div>
What is one thing in common that Elton Brand, Corey Maggette, and Manu Ginobilli share with each other that Dunleavy doesn't? They all play defense and score a lot more. Mullin is generous as heck. Cohan had better know what's going on or we could just be stuck in the Knicks situation of salary cap hell with no luxury tax amnesty.

Let's hope Dunleavy is a late bloomer and starts playing like he did in April and all of his points come at a good time and we win the game. 9 mil per year... damn that is one less mil per year than most impact players receive. Honestly, I don't really notice Dunleavy doing much to win or lose the game. He's doing something but does it equate to a win whether he's there or not?

I'm sure Ginobilli could have gone for money, but he's with a familar group of guys that win rings playing for a good coach/franchise. You have to go for what is fair and not what is the most cash you can hoard off. Dunleavy made out like a bandit, it's not even funny if he'll be playing all inconsistent like he has and getting blown by on D. I'd rather have somebody quicker if we're going to be not that great on D at small forward.