Nash on way to 2nd MVP title...

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  1. Greazy9

    Greazy9 JBB JustBBall Member

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    I hate to say I told you so, but...

    >j<
     
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    doesn't matter what u said, there is no way he deserves it, i'm starting to lose respect for this award.
     
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    Dirk was robbed.

    Nowitzki, LeBron and Kobe should all have finished ahead of Nash in voting.
    Dwayne Wade, Elton Brand and Chauncey I would put below Nash.
    So to me Nash should have finished fourth.
    I would give the edge to Nowitzki because of his consistency and their great record, and the fact that there really is no #2 guy on that team - Jason Terry and Josh Howard are both nice but not consistently the #2 guy night in and night out.

    BUT don't you love the timing - going into Game 2 of PHX-LAL series???
    You know the word has gotten round the league and into Kobe's ears....
    This is gonna be the best series since LA and Sac back in 2002.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">Nowitzki, LeBron and Kobe should all have finished ahead of Nash in voting.
    Dwayne Wade, Elton Brand and Chauncey I would put below Nash.
    So to me Nash should have finished fourth.
    I would give the edge to Nowitzki because of his consistency and their great record, and the fact that there really is no #2 guy on that team - Jason Terry and Josh Howard are both nice but not consistently the #2 guy night in and night out.</div>

    With Avery Johnson winning COY, the writers probably feel the coaching is the main reason for the success in Dallas, and not Dirk.
     
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    true, but look at D'Antoni-Nash last year and Larry Brown-AI back in 01.
    I do think Avery has challenged Nowitzki and made him a much better player though.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting babybulls:</div><div class="quote_post">doesn't matter what u said, there is no way he deserves it, i'm starting to lose respect for this award.</div>

    He probably deserves it just as much as last year. They havn't lost a beat with all the newcomers and injuries.
     
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    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    Its almost like some people started paying attention to the MVP award just this year. While I might have chosen Dirk or Lebron, Nash certainly follows the pattern of past winners. I have no complaints about it.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">With Avery Johnson winning COY, the writers probably feel the coaching is the main reason for the success in Dallas, and not Dirk.</div>

    i get what u're saying but last year the suns got COY, Exec of the year, MVP and 3 all-stars
     
  9. Greazy9

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting babybulls:</div><div class="quote_post">doesn't matter what u said, there is no way he deserves it, i'm starting to lose respect for this award.</div>

    OK... and who clearly deserves it more? He CLEARLY is a front-runner, so why would he "no way deserve it".

    >j<

    PS - keep in mind before you post, I don't care what you say either. [​IMG]
     
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    Found this one interesting on slamonline...


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NASHTY
    (posted Wednesday, April 26, 2006 -- posted at 6:00 p.m.)

    by Khalid Salaam

    Did you know that the only other point guard to win at least two MVP awards is Magic Johnson? So are we now saying that Steve Nash is on that level? Winning his second MVP award guarantees that Nash is getting in the Hall of Fame and will join the short list of great pg's of all time. Two years ago he was never considered that kind of player; he was just a good passer and scorer who was the 2nd or 3rd best player on a soft, only-thing-we-can-do-is-score team. It would be like Rashard Lewis all of a sudden going to a team that used a system that covers up his weaknesses and that team surprises everyone, wins a lot of games and he gets the MVP Award. Then because of the power of this system he is able to sustain his level for another year and then wins it again.

    Are you saying that you couldn't recognize that this is the same player just playing in a different scheme? Are you saying you would reward him as being the most important and best player in the L? Because that's what is happening with Nash.

    We're getting hustled here.

    I'd like to give notice that Steve Nash is a great player and deserving of being a contender, but him winning back-to-back MVP Awards just seems wrong to me. Winning it again is basically saying he's the best player in the League and does anyone agree with that? Nash is a notoriously bad defender -- not just average. Has there ever been a MVP candidate who has almost no effect on the other side of the court?

    Furthermore it doesn't make sense any that Suns Coach Mike D'Antoni didn't win COY again if they were going to reward Nash again. This guy is a system player and the fact that the League can't see this is a joke. Because what exactly is the reward for? Best team record? No. Highest scoring average? No. The player other teams fear the most? No. He did lead the L in assists but averaged more turnovers than Iverson and his AST/TO ratio was lower than Luke Ridnour of all people.

    I'm not saying it's political, I'm just saying under what context do you give it to him over Billups and Kobe? Nash is a good player, yes, but he's not even the best player at his position (who wouldn't rather have J Kidd and Billups?). So how is he the best player in the League?!

    Something weird just happened.

    </div>
     
  11. unbeliever

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    So much hate for Nash. He plays his heart out, he's on a winning team that has suffered some very significant set backs in terms of injuries and roster changes. And he's made it work. SEVEN of his team mates have had career years. What the hell else could Most Valuable Player mean?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">So much hate for Nash. He plays his heart out, he's on a winning team that has suffered some very significant set backs in terms of injuries and roster changes. And he's made it work. SEVEN of his team mates have had career years. What the hell else could Most Valuable Player mean?</div>

    True MVP's make people around them better, dont disagree with this MVP choice he deserves it, he is consistent, team player, good sportsmanship, doesnt make excuses for off games.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimmyDMVP:</div><div class="quote_post">True MVP's make people around them better, dont disagree with this MVP choice he deserves it, he is consistent, team player, good sportsmanship, doesnt make excuses for off games.</div>

    Not sure why you quoted me, since we both agree that Nash deserved the MVP.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">Not sure why you quoted me, since we both agree that Nash deserved the MVP.</div>

    He was just backing you up. I agree with both of you of course. PHX started the season 4-5 when D'Antoni said (and I'm paraphrasing here) "Nash will figure it out. We'll win 50 games. That's what he does." The Lakers are not an Elite team. Cleveland is not an elite team. Phoenix is an elite team because Nash (with the help that he so readily credits) made them an elite team. What more does one man have to do?

    >j<
     
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    ilive4ball said via Khalil Salaam;
    "Two years ago he was never considered that kind of player; he was just a good passer and scorer who was the 2nd or 3rd best player on a soft, only-thing-we-can-do-is-score team."
    Considered by alot fewer than this man thinks. I could quote Steve Finley, Don Nelson, Gregg Popovich, Bill Walton and several others that all said basically the same thing... that he was the heart of that team. Don Nelson never rode Nash like D'Antoni does. That was his fault.

    "Then because of the power of this system he is able to sustain his level for another year and then wins it again."
    ...a system built around Nash...

    "Nash is a notoriously bad defender -- not just average."
    He's an improved and under-rated defender. Example: Last night he took a charge that cost LA a basket (then later took a charge from Kobe that Kobe didn't get called for), forced 2 non-steal turnovers and deflected a pass to a wide open Smush Parker on the 3 point line. None of these are stats and the "bad defender" tag will probably always stick no matter what he does. I'm not trying to say he's a great defender. He's not. But give credit where it's due... he's improving.

    "This guy is a system player and the fact that the League can't see this is a joke."
    See above.

    "He did lead the L in assists but averaged more turnovers than Iverson and his AST/TO ratio was lower than Luke Ridnour of all people."
    There is so much wrong with this it's barely worth a rebuttle. Brett Favre throws interceptions en route to scoring a ton. It happens. He takes chances and it works alot more than not. The ball is in his hands most of the time. Is this guy saying Luke Ridnour takes the kind of chances and is much of a play maker that Nash is? Nash doesn't deserve the MVP for making things happen and Neither does Brett Favre.

    Nash is a good player, yes, but he's not even the best player at his position (who wouldn't rather have J Kidd and Billups?). So how is he the best player in the League?!
    He won a coaches poll for that position in pretty much a landslide. Nuff said.

    >j<
     
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    worst thing ive ever heard to say nash doesnt deserve it. every commentator and expert says how nash is having an even better season than last year all his averages are up and with the loss of 2 stars how can u not say hes not worthy of winning it. he makes raja bell as good as he is. phoenix struggles to win games without nash, clearly showing the impact of his presence being there. kobe can score, wat else? stuff all. also how does playing with a worse team make it harder to be better. u have less competition from within the team such as dallas lakers and cavs where really kobe is the lakers same with dirk and lebron all 3 of those teams dont have other stars in the team. where nash has to compete with the likes of marion and and the most improved player diaw
     
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    Nash really deserves this year's MVP.....

    His defense alone is great..... I love Nash and have loved him since forever..... I gotta give Kobe that crazy dunk on Nash though..... Nash's only means of defense was to get a handful of Kobe's twig and berries.... Nash should have squeezed hard..... that would have been hot....Go Nash
     
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    Gotta give it to him, he does deserve it....but I don't think it should have been given to him. It's like baking two cakes for the same person on his birthday. We know he is a good player and makes everyone around him better, we know he can make something from nothing.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Nashtizzle:</div><div class="quote_post">Nash really deserves this year's MVP.....

    His defense alone is great..... I love Nash and have loved him since forever..... I gotta give Kobe that crazy dunk on Nash though..... Nash's only means of defense was to get a handful of Kobe's twig and berries.... Nash should have squeezed hard..... that would have been hot....Go Nash</div>

    Yes, that was one of the greatest offensive fouls of the entire season. Congrats to Kobe on that one. Also, your fantasizing about "Kobe's twig and berries" and what people might do with them is a bit disturbing, but not uncharacteristic of most Kobe fans. Feel free to post fan fiction on the subject, just warn everyone else.
     
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    Ok!



    Did you see Nash get a handful? Nash probably loved it....


    Incase you didn't get what I was trying to say..... That was sarcasm you idiot.....
     

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