Here's what Laker fans think about Nash winning MVP

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  1. Pablo23

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    "Actually the rule is you have to set your feet before the person leaves the ground. Kobe was already in the air when Nash came over to draw the charge, so by rule it's actually a block. You aren't allowed to undercut a player. "

    I totally agree.
     
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    Shape: Apparently we saw it differently. As they were talking about it on the air, they had mentioned and slo-mo replayed... Nash's feet were set before Kobe left the ground. Watch it again in slo-mo. I think you'll see the same thing objectively. But it's irrellavant. It's in the record books and I'm in the wrong forum for this type of thing. Kobe fans obviously don't see the same thing.

    >j<
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Greazy9:</div><div class="quote_post">Shape: Apparently we saw it differently. As they were talking about it on the air, they had mentioned and slo-mo replayed... Nash's feet were set before Kobe left the ground. Watch it again in slo-mo. I think you'll see the same thing objectively. But it's irrellavant. It's in the record books and I'm in the wrong forum for this type of thing. Kobe fans obviously don't see the same thing.

    >j<</div>

    The problem with slow motion is it makes the player appear to be set for longer than he actually was. It's really close even in slow motion, Nash plants just as Kobe elevates. In the situation the official has to protect the player in the air, maybe the proper call should have been no foul call at all?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">The problem with slow motion is it makes the player appear to be set for longer than he actually was. It's really close even in slow motion, Nash plants just as Kobe elevates. In the situation the official has to protect the player in the air, maybe the proper call should have been no foul call at all?</div>

    I understand that, But when one frame shows motion and the next 2 or 3 don't and Kobe still hasn't left the ground, I say feet are set. Then in real time, it becomes more clear. I'm not saying it's an easy call. It's not. But as I see it, it's the wrong call. Either way, the effect and the statement made was loud and clear. But let me clear something up for Laker fans... be content with that you have the best individual player in the league. He's not the MVP, your record isn't good enough. Maybe Nash deserves it, maybe he doesn't. But Kobe is the best player in the world, and that's it. He'll never be MVP until he takes LA to at least 4th place in the West... MINIMUM! Just get over it and move on and be happy he's there.
    And special message to Shape: You are my favorite poster here, Laker fan or not. There are some great posters, but it's no wonder you're the owner... and the only completely unbiased Laker here. Well, almost completely.

    >j<
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">
    GatorsownstheSEC, in the words of Bill Walton, "That was the greatest dunk in the history of basketball! Throw it down big man, throw it down! What was Steve Nash thinking on that play, Marv? Kobe is too, good graceful, soaring in the air like a condor."</div>

    That was a crazy dunk, I agree. Has to be one of the best that I have ever seen, but if you post the link to the dunk and there is questionable charge call, you have to expect for all the "Kobe haters" to come in here and say it was a charge. I have given him props for the dunk and am not taking anything away from it. The only reason why I'm bringing up the charge is because Nash was standing still and fell over, he didn't attempt to block the shot or swipe at the ball, I don't understand how that was getting dunked on. Nash basically did what Spud Webb did in the dunk contest for Nate Robinson and just stood there.
     
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    Glad you enjoy posts Greazy9.

    I actually thought the official signaled a charge originally and I was just about to launch the remote control through the flat screen, but then the announcer said "Count it and one."

    It would have been Kobe's 5th foul and the Suns would have kept momentum in the game. After the people attending the game realized it was a dunk and foul on Nash, the crowd quieted down some.

    I don't think the Lakers can get the 4th seed with the current roster by next season. 50 to 54 wins is doable, and maybe that puts them as the 5th seed in the West. If Houston and Sacramento can stay healthy they will make a significant improvement next season. I think the Kings were a .600 ball club with Artest and TMac/Yao duo is solid.

    I think a 50+ winning season, 3000 points, and a higher field goal percentage would be enough to get Kobe MVP for next season.
     
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    Thanks for the video Da Nang Thang!
     
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    The dunk was a great one. Some people thought Kobe couldnt even get up that high anymore.

    Its obvious that the win is far more important, but I really liked the dunk. I dont see a problem highlighting it and hyping it.

    I mean, come'on. lebron has sick dunks and its talked about on Sportscenter for days... Now its our turn to enjoy it.

    Its a sport. Its entertainment for most of us.. Why cant we hype the dunk?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">That was a crazy dunk, I agree. Has to be one of the best that I have ever seen, but if you post the link to the dunk and there is questionable charge call, you have to expect for all the "Kobe haters" to come in here and say it was a charge. I have given him props for the dunk and am not taking anything away from it. The only reason why I'm bringing up the charge is because Nash was standing still and fell over, he didn't attempt to block the shot or swipe at the ball, I don't understand how that was getting dunked on. Nash basically did what Spud Webb did in the dunk contest for Nate Robinson and just stood there.</div>

    So by your definition, Dwight howard didn't get dunked on by Kobe .... am I right? [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">So by your definition, Dwight howard didn't get dunked on by Kobe .... am I right? [​IMG]</div>

    No, he got dunked on, He at least raised his hands like he was going to do something on defense. Nash was just standing there. Also Dwight was inside the cylinder, so it was just stupid of him to even go there, because even if he flopped, he wouldn't have gotten the call anyway.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">No, he got dunked on, He at least raised his hands like he was going to do something on defense. Nash was just standing there. Also Dwight was inside the cylinder, so it was just stupid of him to even go there, because even if he flopped, he wouldn't have gotten the call anyway.</div>

    What was Nash going to do though? Try and untie Kobe's shoelaces? [​IMG]
     
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    it was a charge. great effort by nash. too bad he got embarassed for it.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Greazy9:</div><div class="quote_post">Shape: Apparently we saw it differently. As they were talking about it on the air, they had mentioned and slo-mo replayed... Nash's feet were set before Kobe left the ground. Watch it again in slo-mo. I think you'll see the same thing objectively. But it's irrellavant. It's in the record books and I'm in the wrong forum for this type of thing. Kobe fans obviously don't see the same thing.

    >j<</div>

    He was definitly still in motion..
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    . he didn't attempt to block the shot or swipe at the ball, I don't understand how that was getting dunked on. Nash basically did what Spud Webb did in the dunk contest for Nate Robinson and just stood there.</div>
    Thats COMPLETELY different. How can you relate the two?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">No, he got dunked on, He at least raised his hands like he was going to do something on defense. Nash was just standing there. Also Dwight was inside the cylinder, so it was just stupid of him to even go there, because even if he flopped, he wouldn't have gotten the call anyway.</div>

    [​IMG]
     
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    LOL NICE, I love it.
     
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    haha. lol. who was the guy that pushed kobe after the dunk?
     
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    that was just a nasty dunk. thats what happens when u try to take a charge. Dont get in the lane when kobes in the air. Kobe still has hops.
     

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