<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Lostmyluggage:</div><div class="quote_post">If your going to compare anyone to Nash, it isn't going to be Kobe. If anything, it's going to be Bron. LeBron is going to get 5-6 MVP's during his career. The NBA knows this so I guess they decided to give it to the second best canidate, Nash. I don't care about the false predictions on the Suns, or the injuries, or anything else. All of that is not nearly as impressive as a 21 year old winning 50 games for his team and leading a team at such a young age. How can such a young player be averaging almost double in ppg than the MVP, Nash? There's nothing to compare when you look at overall efficency rating. Assists, rebounds, blocks, steals, clutch shots LeBron > Nash How can his team still have 50 wins without Hughes for several games? How one goes from 31 ppg and 48% shooting during the season to 35 ppg and 51% shooting in the first round finals? How? By being that damn good I guess....</div> Nash deserved the MVP. You say it's amazing that Lebron got 50 wins withour Hughes for a big stretch. OK. Nash got even more wins without one of the most dominant players in Stoudemire for the whole season. It's pretty funny how you take every opportunity you can to build up your favourite player. Lebron>Nash? Maybe in size and height...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, not all PG's do that, but he also isn't the only PG doing so. Kidd, Billups, Paul, even a guy like Brevin Knight also do the same things. With similar offensive players, and playing at that pace, they would all be the ones leading the league in assists. Even comparing all those guys, Nash attempts 1-2 more shots than all of them. Also I didn't argue him being a worthy recipient, I'm just appalled at how he would beat the other guys by a good margin, when his play was far from dominating over there's. I'm also quite disgusted at the lack of respect Dirk recieved.</div> There are other PGs that that do similar things as Nash but none do it better. Kidd is on a similar level but he hasn't been the same since all his injuries. Other than maybe Billups, none of those guys come close to Nash's offensive ability. But then again, Kidd, Billups play better defense so it's hard to compare. It all depends on your criteria for MVP. They should really set out clearer guidelines. Dirk would definitely be a worthy candidate but it seems like mostly everyone credited their success more to Avery than to Dirk. Add in the fact that Dallas is perennially a top team and people probably assume that Dirk has a lot of support. I'm not saying it should count against him, but I'm also guessing Dirk's poor showing in last year's playoffs didn't help his case either.
agree to disagree i guess OG...i think that a good point guard's job is to make the game easier for the players around him. in doing so, their games are going to improve. hence the term "making the players around him better". i think you're taking that a little too litterally. obviously it doesnt mean that playing with him is going to make him jump higher, run faster, or improve mechanics on a jump shot. but a player will shoot a better percentage if they constantly get wide open looks...i find it hard to believe that you're going to argue that nash doesnt do that for his teammates? i agree that dirk, bron and especially chauncey were all top candidates for MVP...i dont think nash deserved it anymore then they did...they all were deserving, but thats just it...im arguing for nash, because in my opinion, nash was deserving also
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">Nash deserved the MVP. You say it's amazing that Lebron got 50 wins withour Hughes for a big stretch. OK. Nash got even more wins without one of the most dominant players in Stoudemire for the whole season. It's pretty funny how you take every opportunity you can to build up your favourite player. Lebron>Nash? Maybe in size and height...</div> Right.......it's pretty funny how you take every opportunity to put LeBron down. Your posts in the Cavs forum speak for themselves. I can't wait to hear how you plan on backing up the statement that LeBron is not greater than Nash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">agree to disagree i guess OG...i think that a good point guard's job is to make the game easier for the players around him. in doing so, their games are going to improve. hence the term "making the players around him better". i think you're taking that a little too litterally. obviously it doesnt mean that playing with him is going to make him jump higher, run faster, or improve mechanics on a jump shot. but a player will shoot a better percentage if they constantly get wide open looks...i find it hard to believe that you're going to argue that nash doesnt do that for his teammates? i agree that dirk, bron and especially chauncey were all top candidates for MVP...i dont think nash deserved it anymore then they did...they all were deserving, but thats just it...im arguing for nash, because in my opinion, nash was deserving also</div> I think I am taking it too literally, but like I also said, he's not doing it anymore than other guys where people should go crazy about it. We can't compare playing with Nash to the extreme like Eclipse did, to guys who aren't even PG's. No one is going to play with Kidd, then go play with Nash and say it's much better because Nash actually gives you the ball. Neither will they say that about someone like Paul or Billups. Like Boris Diaw said: "BD: It is very easy to play with the players on the Suns’ roster. They are all excellent shooters. All you have to do is see them when they are open and pass the ball to them. Most of the times they are able to make the shot. " Phoenix and Seattle (mostyl Ray and Rashard) are probably the only teams where a guy could say that about his supporting cast.
Yes congratulations you became the ninth player in the NBA history to win the award twice in a row, go for the hat trick next year.
Even though I hoped and cheered for Nowitzki to get it, Nash is still a better option than Bryant or Lebron James.
I think the conventional wisdom is that no one played well enough to knock Stevie off the pedestal. The league had a great problem, though, to have that many legit candidates. Steve did improve quite a bit over his last years mvp stats, with a new cast of players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Why do people always say this? Why would Kobe WANT to be like Steve Nash? The guy's a shooting guard and he's a scorer. If you mean it in the sense that he should get his teammtes involved like he did earlier in the series, then yes, I agree. But after a while, it gets annoying passing to teammtes who can't make shots at all, which is what often happened in the course of the regular season. It's like when I play in a streetball game for fun on the street and I know I am the best player on the floor as well (I'm a playmaking player)...If your teammates can't deliver on wide open looks and perfect setups, what else can you do but take over?? In addition, these are NBA PLAYERS!!! His supporting cast should atleast make some layups when he offers them, not to mention wide open shots. Now, I don't think the Lakers cast is that bad but their inconsistency in the regular season even pissed ME off, so I can't imagine how Kobe felt.</div>Lamar Odom can't make layups or wideopen jumpshots ? BTW that Lamar Odom's big fan's signature is right imo. It's the first time when Kobe doesn't try to get greatness or smth, and what follows ? - greatness finds him. Odom was clearly better in the PO series imo expect those 2 sick clutch shots that Kobe made. Odom is a quite sick 20/10/10 imo but usually he has 8 or 9 assists or 8 or 9 rebounds.;D
Talk about being in the right place at the right time..So many players including point guards like Jason Kidd and Gary Payton who've had better careers have never won an MVP award and Nash wins not one but 2 back to back? There's just no value to the MVP award anymore.
Wow, when i herd that Nash won it I was very surprised. I though Kobe should have won it. I think that if the lakers did'nt have Kobe they would not have even made the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crespibasketbal:</div><div class="quote_post"> I think that if the lakers did'nt have Kobe they would not have even made the playoffs.</div> You could say the same thing for several other teams.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dallasdude:</div><div class="quote_post">Talk about being in the right place at the right time..So many players including point guards like Jason Kidd and Gary Payton who've had better careers have never won an MVP award and Nash wins not one but 2 back to back? There's just no value to the MVP award anymore.</div> I agree, it's becoming a joke.
