Should we retire the jersey #15

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  1. spyware

    spyware JBB JustBBall Member

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    He did more than that. He was the reason for the glory years! THE GLORY YEARS DUDE!!
     
  2. Jones

    Jones JBB JustBBall Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Retire it for what? Winning one playoff series in 7 years?</div>

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  3. 02civic

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    you dont retire the number of any player that totally stops trying!

    That was getting paid 14million a year, the fans were paying 200 bucks to go watch him, and he wasnt even trying!

    Why would you reward that! Sure he did some great things for the Raps. If he had of gone away quitely or as a free agent sure i'd say retire it down the road. But you dont retire anybody's number if they turn your back on you, they hang you out to dry.

    No, retiring Vince's number would take away from the true greats whose numbers hang in arena's across the canada and the US
     
  4. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    If we were to retire his jersey, we'd regret it 20-30 years down the road, when this franchise actually has some history.
     
  5. spyware

    spyware JBB JustBBall Member

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    I'd like to see Alvin Williams jersey retired.
     
  6. dunksworth

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dothehustle:</div><div class="quote_post">well yeah but the comparison is too far fetched. Hitler did NOTHING good for the germans and every german has the right to hate him. Vince on the other hand actually did something good for the town. People just hated him because of the way he left us</div>
    Not that this matters or anything but for the nation of Germany, Hitler actually did some good. He boosted their economy during the depression and gave them a strong sense of national pride after suffering the humiliation of being unjustily blamed for WWI. At the time the people of Germany, in general, did not hate him.... but whatever, it still doesn't mean much considering the holocaust and all.


    In regard to the whole retiring of the jersey debate, I think it all comes down to the opinion of the fans..... and listening to chorus of boos, I think the fans have spoken.
     
  7. dothehustle

    dothehustle JBB JustBBall Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Not everyone in the GTA hates Vince...I know A LOT of people that still have a lot of love for him.



    The media made that perception worse. Damn, don't get me started on the Toronto media...half of them don't know wtf they're talking about.



    With Vince as our primary option:

    - Went from a 16-66 record in 1997-1998 to 23-27 in 1999 and were in contention for a playoff spot until a late season collapse

    - Made first ever playoff birth against the battle-tested New York Knicks veteran team and although Carter struggled, he has one of the most spectacular regular season that we had ever season and he definetly put Toronto on the map...before this seaosn...who were we? What were we remembered for? Trading Damon Stoudamire?

    - Led us to 2nd straight playoff birth, despite Tracy McGrady leaving....not only that, led us past the Knicks with clutch perfomances (by him and Alvin Williams) and helped us to get to game 7 against Philly...and I don't care what anyone says, I would have gone to my graduation as well...the funniest thing is that it's not like we lost by a blowout...we lost by a single shot rimming out...what, just because he went to his graduation, that shot didn't fall in? The media is a bunch of morons.

    - Was having a spectacular year in 2001-2002 until the injury bug hit him..

    And we all know the story after that.

    Yes, Carter did get injured numerous times in Toronto...but the work he put forth in the community and the excitement he brought to this city is STILL unparralleled...and unless we get someone like Kobe or Tracy Mcgrady or Kevin Garnett or basically any other top tier player, that excitement is going to remain unmatched.



    Majority of Raptor fans are bitter cause he did go on to be great in NJ...




    But he does deserve to be honoured by the same team that finally got some respect and credibility once he came into the picture. How easily we forget the good times...</div>

    you couldnt have said it better than this.
     
  8. deception

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">That's because Hitler is a last name. I'm sure there are many people in Germany still named Adolf. I would expect someone who lives in Europe to at least understand that simple bit of history.[​IMG] The fact that you would even make a comparison with perhaps the most evil man in history is just disgusting. It's just plain sick.

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    btw, i do know hitler was the dudes last name... i have a minor in history and buddy if u spent any time on the forums u would probably know i use sarcasm to make a point. specifically, there is a genius device in the english language called "hyperbole"- used to draw exaggerations to make a point and the hitler/vince angle was a good example of one.


    and to forward the point made by dunksworth- many scholars argue hiter was just a dude who was serendipitously (wrong guy, right time) swept up in germanys modernist spirit. its no coincidence that most of the great thinkers of the 20th and 19th centuries respectively were germans, e.g. weber, marx, einstein
     
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    If the Hitler/Carter comment hurt you... then I feel sorry for you, toughen up.

    I don't care if they retire or dont retire his jersey
     
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    I vote no.

    He did some great things for this franchise, but equally negative things to hurt this franchise.

    I don't blame Babcock intirely for the 'worst trade in NBA history' Vince was doggin it. 14 ppg?!?!?

    Having your jersey retired is an honor, one must be honorable for such things.
     
  11. hustler

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    Retire JYD's number....
     
  12. NTC

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    Retire it. When you think Toronto Raptors, the first thing that comes to mind is Vince Carter, despite the fact he isnt even with the team anymore, that's the kind of effect he had on your franchise. He did a hell of alot for the Raptors, as stated, breaking and setting all sorts of franchise records. It isnt always just about winning, I'm not a fan of retiring jerseys due to winning championships and what not, because those kind of things take a team effort.
     
  13. 02civic

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    all this talk about franshise records and being the best player the teams had, and taking the team farther than it had ever been before...they're all well and good.


    ...if you're talking about a team thats been around for 25-35 years.

    Toronto had been around for what? 4-5 years when he was drafted? Sure we went further with him than before...but its kinda hard not to. Dont forget we also had a young Tmac and some very solid players in AD, Alvin Williams, Oakley, Kevin Willis ect

    Carter did good things for Toronto...then he spit in our face and stole money from our wallets.

    Reward it if you'd like. I'd rather not be walked on thank you very much.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Retire it for what? Winning one playoff series in 7 years?</div>

    heheh, this is true, but he was Toronto's first basketball superstar, I know he left bad, but he was still great while he was there. Even though Shaq left L.A. roughly, I would like his number to be retired.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hustler:</div><div class="quote_post">Retire JYD's number....</div>Now that I agree with. Retire the number of the hustle player. Give an example to the young guys.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">Not that this matters or anything but for the nation of Germany, Hitler actually did some good. He boosted their economy during the depression and gave them a strong sense of national pride after suffering the humiliation of being unjustily blamed for WWI. At the time the people of Germany, in general, did not hate him.... but whatever, it still doesn't mean much considering the holocaust and all.


    In regard to the whole retiring of the jersey debate, I think it all comes down to the opinion of the fans..... and listening to chorus of boos, I think the fans have spoken.</div>

    Sounds like Nazi mentality to me.

    This whole topic is moot. I don't think Vince would want his number retired in TO anyways. 02Civic, you gotta give it up man, I think people are getting sick of you whining and taking shots at Vince every chance you get.
     
  17. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    He has made a good point though. What if every team in the League were to retire the jersey of their first superstar? He seems like a huge part of this franchise now, but it's all relative. The records he broke were small. The success we had was moderate.
     
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    he was a great player there but to retire his number i think is too much, he was hated by the fans. he also said "some games as a raptor a did not give my full effort" some one who does not give his all for the team to win should not have his number retired.
     
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    oui or yes retire his jersey the raptors would have moved without him.
     
  20. 02civic

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">Sounds like Nazi mentality to me.

    This whole topic is moot. I don't think Vince would want his number retired in TO anyways. 02Civic, you gotta give it up man, I think people are getting sick of you whining and taking shots at Vince every chance you get.</div>


    [​IMG] so?

    I had nothing agaisnt vince when he was a raptor...i have nothing against him as a Net. What i do have problem with is how he left. It deserves to be mentioned in any thread such as this. It deserves to stick with him, because everybody makes mistakes but everybody has to pay the consequences of making them.

    I'm not gunna give a man making 15 million dollars a year to play a game, ANY slack for waisting hard working blue collar people's money. I write passionately about this topic because it quite honestly disgusts me to think that some people want to group Vince Carter with the true greats whose numbers hang across the country. It would sully the act of retiring a jersey if you were to give the honor to Vince merely because he's the best player a young team has had so far, and because he took them to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Gimme a break
     

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