Warriors Survivor

Discussion in 'Golden State Warriors' started by Legacy, Sep 20, 2006.

  1. Iggy

    Iggy Iggy

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  2. AnimeFANatic

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    Iggy, you're using an old one. Biedrins has been eliminated.

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    Zarko Cabarkapa- 4
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  3. .cabangbang

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  4. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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  5. Skiptomylue11

    Skiptomylue11 JBB JustBBall Member

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    Well I'll factor in Iggy's vote, because you forgot to count it:
    "+ Diogu
    - Zarko"

    Zarko Cabarkapa- 1
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    Ike Diogu- 9
    Monta Ellis- 11
    Jason Richardson- 17

    My vote:
    +JRich
    -Zarko (eliminated)

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  6. AnimeFANatic

    AnimeFANatic JBB JustBBall Member

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    Man, everyone I vote for gets eliminated.
     
  7. Skiptomylue11

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, everyone I vote for gets eliminated.</div>
    Post 23, you voted for Baron
    Post 28, you voted for Ike

    Ike and Baron are still left.
     
  8. AnimeFANatic

    AnimeFANatic JBB JustBBall Member

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    I just did that to throw you guys off haha, and they're going to be eliminated anyway. I think it's clear who the survivor is.
     
  9. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    It's kind of a waste of bandwidth unless we have two guys who need each other to win i.e. franchise guard + franchise big man (Nash n' Amare) (Kobe n' Shaq) (Dwade and Shaq). All we got is outside guys and Jrich doesn't really set up Baron that much. He's a 3 assist type of wing that trys to play guard. Baron is more of a franchise guy that can make everyone play a lot better, but damn his shooting/durability is really bad. If he's going to shoot worse than Jkidd, at least pass the ball earlier, don't take so many threes, and play some D.
     
  10. AnimeFANatic

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">It's kind of a waste of bandwidth unless we have two guys who need each other to win i.e. franchise guard + franchise big man (Nash n' Amare) (Kobe n' Shaq) (Dwade and Shaq). All we got is outside guys and Jrich doesn't really set up Baron that much. He's a 3 assist type of wing that trys to play guard. Baron is more of a franchise guy that can make everyone play a lot better, but damn his shooting/durability is really bad. If he's going to shoot worse than Jkidd, at least pass the ball earlier, don't take so many threes, and play some D.</div>

    Very interesting point about how Baron isn't set up much. Which is probably one factor in his bad shooting %, he pretty much has to create his own shot all the time. But Nelson said that he wants Baron to catch, and most likely he means catch it from our "only point forward in the league" Dungleavy. Hopefully this means 42% FG. But this won't fix his bad FT% [​IMG] And Baron gambles too much on steals to play good D. All we got is outside guys that can't shoot, and our inside guys who are as soft as whip cream.
     
  11. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Very interesting point about how Baron isn't set up much. Which is probably one factor in his bad shooting %, he pretty much has to create his own shot all the time. But Nelson said that he wants Baron to catch, and most likely he means catch it from our "only point forward in the league" Dungleavy. Hopefully this means 42% FG. But this won't fix his bad FT% [​IMG] And Baron gambles too much on steals to play good D. All we got is outside guys that can't shoot, and our inside guys who are as soft as whip cream.</div>
    Yeah, it's like... who else can create? I mean every single good team in this league has somebody that can create and finish those plays that others create. Baron can create, but he can't finish very much. Jrich can finish, but he can't create. Guys like Dunleavy haven't proven to create or finish that much. Murphy is a guy that can create some, but only for himself, and he doesn't finish much inside to make the impact of the center that we lack. If Murphy moves to center, we need a guy at power forward like Biedrins or Ike to flush it down and move people off the block.

    So basically our fate is tied to Dunleavy, Biedrins or Ike, maybe. Ouch! I do not have much faith in physically weak guys who shoot crappy free throws or can't nail an open jump shot. I'm suprised at how many players we have that cannot dribble or shoot or make a fundamental pass or decision to pass... It's like we don't have real basketball players at times...

    Know what sucks? I haven't that many shot free throws since 6 years ago. I shot some free throws the other day from the college line and I can still nail 8 out of 10. Jrich, Pietrus can't even shoot 70? Man... If they were 6'10 they'd have an excuse, but they are guards...
     
  12. Gohn

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    I agree for most part with what you said CR, except a few things.

    I don't think Dunleavy is that weak physically, more like too slow. Duns also not that bad at FTs, compared to the rest of the team at least. I think he shoots career 75%. But at the same time he misses a lot of clutch ones it seems. I think with Fisher gone, Ike is our best FT shooter. I also can trust Ike to hit the open jumpshot from 12-17 FT away.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Know what sucks? I haven't that many shot free throws since 6 years ago. I shot some free throws the other day from the college line and I can still nail 8 out of 10. Jrich, Pietrus can't even shoot 70? Man... If they were 6'10 they'd have an excuse, but they are guards...</div>
    I think that playing in infront of a crowd with lots of pressure (especially for FTs because they are wide open and they have time to think) could be a reason why Jrich and Pietrus shoot lousy FTs.
     
  13. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree for most part with what you said CR, except a few things.

    I don't think Dunleavy is that weak physically, more like too slow. Duns also not that bad at FTs, compared to the rest of the team at least. I think he shoots career 75%. But at the same time he misses a lot of clutch ones it seems. I think with Fisher gone, Ike is our best FT shooter. I also can trust Ike to hit the open jumpshot from 12-17 FT away.
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    Oh yeah, I meant biedrins is too weak right now. Not so much Dunleavy. Dunleavy is pretty slow, well he's fast running for his size and he's got that big step, but his quickness level is very low. If he wasn't fluid as a ballhandler or as a natural basketball player he'd be pretty screwed as a pro. Right now he's just a bad starter. I'm also discouraged that Dunleavy can't post up the smaller guys and use his size to force his way in. Maybe he is afraid of the ball getting stolen or he just can't uproot the post defender with a shoulder and hip check.

    Biedrins is pretty bad foul shooter, Dunleavy is pretty bad for the shooter he's supposed to be. Good shooters typically don't second guess themselves at the foul line. We'll see how Ike goes. I think Nelson will like the guy and use him. If he doesn't, he's crazy. Ike is not that athletic, but he's a finisher inside and can hustle.
    We need finishers or it will be another version of Monty ball with guys bombing outside shots and nobody rebounding or getting those shots inside.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">
    I think that playing in infront of a crowd with lots of pressure (especially for FTs because they are wide open and they have time to think) could be a reason why Jrich and Pietrus shoot lousy FTs.</div>
    I think Jrich and Pietrus just don't shoot very well period unless they are at point blank range (watch jrich and he'll get a lot of his points going inside or from that pocketed area in front of the free throw line near the elbow, Pietrus will either dunk or shoot 3's which is similar to Jrich in his rookie year). Jrich and Pietrus can also shoot consecutive threes and get hot, but it's a different shot than free throws... I bet if Jrich and Pietrus jump shot their free throws they'd probably make a higher %. lOL.
     
  14. Legacy

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  15. Skiptomylue11

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  16. AnimeFANatic

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    +Baron
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  17. Gohn

    Gohn JBB JustBBall Member

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    Monta+
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  18. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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  19. HiRez

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">We'll see how Ike goes. I think Nelson will like the guy and use him. If he doesn't, he's crazy. Ike is not that athletic, but he's a finisher inside and can hustle.
    We need finishers or it will be another version of Monty ball with guys bombing outside shots and nobody rebounding or getting those shots inside.</div>I agree with these sentiments for the most part but where you are mildly optimistic that Nellie will put Ike's strengths to good use, I am skeptical and mildly pessimistic. With Fish now gone, Ike should log a lot of minutes at the end of quarters and games with his solid foul shooting (unless it's Murph in his place...yuck). As you said, Ike is a finisher, many on this team are not.

    Now one thing that I am hopeful of is that at least Nelson should have the balls to get in Baron's face when he starts chucking up and missing 3s with no ball movement and :20 left on the shot clock. Monty obviously saw it happening but he didn't have the clout to say what needed saying. I think even Baron will find himself on the bench if he insists on doing that on a regular basis. If Monta develops some PG skills, hopefully that will light a fire under Baron's ass to make some better decisions.
     
  20. Skiptomylue11

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