who is worse?

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  1. Eagles4Life

    Eagles4Life He Hate Me

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    Bf1 your short sightness is amazing, cannot get it done. McNabb is 7-5 in playoff games, the fact that he got to 4 NFC Championship games in a row, is pretty damn amazing and he is not even 30 yet. By your logic there are only about 30 or so QB's in the NFL history that ever got it done and that includes Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and others so called "great" QB's, so please, do not lay it all on the QB and give the rest of the team some blame also. In the NFL today there are only 5 QB's that CAN get it done. Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner and Brett Favre. And the only one I would take over McNabb or Manning is Brady.
     
  2. Bearsfan1

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bf1 your short sightness is amazing, cannot get it done. McNabb is 7-5 in playoff games, the fact that he got to 4 NFC Championship games in a row, is pretty damn amazing and he is not even 30 yet. By your logic there are only about 30 or so QB's in the NFL history that ever got it done and that includes Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and others so called "great" QB's, so please, do not lay it all on the QB and give the rest of the team some blame also. In the NFL today there are only 5 QB's that CAN get it done. Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner and Brett Favre. And the only one I would take over McNabb or Manning is Brady.</div>
    Those QBs just dont play well in big games, they lose it for the team. You arent going to win a super bowl with them at the helm
     
  3. Eagles4Life

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    Would you have said the same about Elway when he lost the 3 Super Bowls. Or did you change your mind when he won the two Super Bowls??
     
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    Honestly, it all comes down to the team's line on O and D. If the line is playing well on O then your QB, especially a talented one, will have a great game. Just look at what Manning was able to do almost all season before the Chargers. If the line is playing well on D then the other team is going to be held to fewer points, making whatever points the QB was able to help put up that much better. Peyton shouldn't have called out his O-line like that but they DID give in to the Steelers pass rush, big time. I'm not saying they suck because the Steelers are good on pass rushing, but they still gave in. How would you like LBs and the rest of the D coming down on you like Heroshima? I think I'd fold under that pressure, maybe even choke.
     
  5. Bearsfan1

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Would you have said the same about Elway when he lost the 3 Super Bowls. Or did you change your mind when he won the two Super Bowls??</div>
    I will look at the numbers. You may have a point.
     
  6. porky88

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>It is sad that Marino's legacy is tarnished because he never won a Super Bowl. In my opinion Manning and McNabb had better supporting casts at one time in their careers already than Marino ever had. Marino is the most decorated passer of all time and should go down as one of the best ever and not a choker.

    As for Manning I'm not sure I would put him in the same sentence as Dan Marino now. After hearing his little I'm trying to be a good teammate but the protection was horrible.. Maybe Manning could have adjusted. I can't imagine John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, or Jonny U (who I think are the 5 greatest QB's too play based on stats, titles, and leadership) complain about their line in one game. That line has been as good as any in the past couple of seasons. I think he owes them a pay of dividend after his MVP season a year ago. He sure had all day to pick defenses apart.

    As for McNabb. The guy plays bad in big games. Choker?? Yes but it shouldn't be all on him. I think McNabb is a tad overrated anyways so that my influence my opinion there.</div>
    Let me see...Once is his career did McNabb have a top 20 reciever in the league (Terrell Owens) and that year the Eagles went to the Super Bowl.

    Look at his other recievers...Torrance Small, Charles Johnson, Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell

    Just for fun, look at the other skilled players he has had around him. Darnell Autry, Correll Buckhalter, Duce Staley, Brian Westbrook, Chad Lewis...None of these (besides Westbrook) put fears in the hearts of opponents. So please, before talking about what McNabb has had around him, do some investigating. He has had a good defense, but in Super Bowl they gave up 10 points in the 4th qtr, and you cant win a game like that (the score was 14-14 at the end of the 3rd).

    Look at Manning he has had in his career. Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James as RB's
    MArvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne as WR's
    and a slew of awesome offensive lineman and TE's
    Maybe cause they surrounded him with such an awesome offensive staff, they could not afford to spend on defense. He got the records, but the D suffered.</div>
    All I said was that I think McNabb is overrated. Am I not allowed to say he's overrated. Hell I didn't even mention any skill players around him. I'm assuming you saw McNabb and the word overrated and freaked out..

    Before TO he never topped 3500 yards passing. His highest career QB rating was an 86. He played in 3 NFC Title games and was 0-3. 0-2 at home. Let's not forget the up chuck in the Super Bowl. 1-4 in Big Games.. Even when he had the best WR in the game at the time in many eyes and a solid defense. He still lost in the Super Bowl.

    In NFC Title games he's thrown 3 TD's in 4 games. and 5 INT's. In the Super Bowl he's threw 3 TD's and 3 INT's. So in a Championship type of atmosphere he's thrown 6 TD's and 8 INT's. That's not very good at all. Manning>McNabb in my opinion. Both Manning and McNabb struggle when it comes down to the big game. McNabb had a solid defense and Manning didn't.

    Edit: Both Manning and McNabb have a monkey on their back so to speak but both are young. Right now I'll take Brady over anyone is this league.. Now maybe McNabb and Manning can still get it done but 4 NFC Title game and only one Super Bowl and you lost it. Opportunities like that are rare. Ask Jim Kelly? who went to 4 Super Bowls.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Would you have said the same about Elway when he lost the 3 Super Bowls. Or did you change your mind when he won the two Super Bowls??</div>
    I will look at the numbers. You may have a point.</div>
    Your right, he definately didnt play well in those first 3 super bowls. Obviously the pressure got to him. He didnt play great in first win either, the greatness of terrell davis got him first one, and when pressure was off he got second. So in my opinion he never really got past it, but another great player can carry a second great player to a title. So if eagles can get a great player to carry mcnabb it is possible to win that big game.
     
  8. Eagles4Life

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    Overrated??

    You have got to be crazy, when a guy is in top 5 in the NFL in QB's, how can he be overrated??? Neither Manning or McNabb are overrated, they are both very good QB's...
     
  9. porky88

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Overrated??

    You have got to be crazy, when a guy is in top 5 in the NFL in QB's, how can he be overrated??? Neither Manning or McNabb are overrated, they are both very good QB's...</div>
    That's the thing. I don't think he's one of the 5 best to play right now. It's just my opinion. Does that mean I'm right? No.. We'll never know how good McNabb could be if he were with the Patriots. Does that mean I'm wrong? No.. I'm not alone in thinking he's overrated and your not alone in defending him.
     
  10. Eagles4Life

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Overrated??

    You have got to be crazy, when a guy is in top 5 in the NFL in QB's, how can he be overrated??? Neither Manning or McNabb are overrated, they are both very good QB's...</div>
    That's the thing. I don't think he's one of the 5 best to play right now. It's just my opinion. Does that mean I'm right? No.. We'll never know how good McNabb could be if he were with the Patriots. Does that mean I'm wrong? No.. I'm not alone in thinking he's overrated and your not alone in defending him.</div>
    Ok, then please name 5 QB's that you think are clearly better then McNabb.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, then please name 5 QB's that you think are clearly better then McNabb.</div>
    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady
    Jake Delhomme
    Drew Brees
    Carson Palmer
    Brett Favre
    Ben Roethlisberger

    Ooops...that's seven.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, then please name 5 QB's that you think are clearly better then McNabb.</div>
    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady
    Jake Delhomme
    Drew Brees
    Carson Palmer
    Brett Favre
    Ben Roethlisberger

    Ooops...that's seven.</div>
    haha beat me to it. What about Trent Green? Vastly undrrated.
     
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    At this point in his career, I'd take Favre out of the list. Drew Brees, Jake, and Ben are questionable as being better, IMO. I'm not saying that they are not better than McNabb, but I think there is a lot of room for debate.

    Would I take McNabb on my team? Absolutely (although I am still partial to Cpep). Would I take any of those other QBs? I'd learn to live with it. [​IMG]
     
  14. nflfan04

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    top 5 QBs right now?

    Manning
    Palmer
    Brady
    McNabb
    Roethlisberger/Delhomme

    who id want in playoffs?

    Delhomme and Brady
     
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    You can talk about how McNabb lead them to the NFC Title game 4 times, or to the Super Bowl once, but the bottomline is that they ended those seasons tied for last with everyone else.....Manning is the same way....49 TDS mean nothing if you dont win the only game that matters.....Tom Brady is the best QB in football because hes won 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls....its a results oriented world, and those guys havent gotten results.....somewhere down the line, another player may take them on their backs and they may win, but until then, they arent successful QBs....thats reality in the NFL, its all or nothing.....come join me on the losers couch, along with everyone that does root for the Broncos, Steelers, Seahawks and Panthers.....and half those guys will join us on sunday, and half of whats left will join us two sundays after that.....but hey, the draft is just 4 months away!
     
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    one more thing, and this is specifically to those who are Eagles or Colts fans....if you watch your guy every week, and you enjoy watching him, then dont listen to what everyone thinks....I watched Marino for 17 years and I loved every minute of it.....he was the best I ever saw, and in my eyes he was the best.....that doesnt mean he was the best, but he was the best to me....he never got to the top of the mountain, but I wouldnt trade a minute of watching him sling it for a Super Bowl title....
     

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