Is McNabb a Racist?

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  1. vikingfan

    vikingfan nfl-*****s member

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    I am serious here...I think McNabb might be a touch racist.

    Obviously the big news on ESPN this morning is McNabb sounding off on TO's comments. From the article:

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ESPN)</div><div class='quotemain'>"In that situation, it was kinda like, 'That's unreal.' That's just like me saying, 'If we had Steve Largent, if we had Joe Jurevicius, we'd be undefeated. He'll now have to answer the question for the whole week about me saying it."

    McNabb's selection of two white receivers was not by accident. He took Owens' choice of Favre as disrespectful to McNabb as an African-American quarterback.

    "It was definitely a slap in the face to me. Because as deep as people won't go into it, it was [a] black-on-black crime. I mean, you have a guy that has been criticized just about all his career and now the last criticism is that I'm selling out because I don't run anymore, by an African-American [J. Whyatt Mondesire, the NAACP chapter president who ripped McNabb in a column that appeared in the Philadelphia Sun].

    "And to say if we had Brett Favre, that could mean that if you had another quarterback of a different decent or ethnic background, we could be winning. That's something I thought about and said, 'Wow.' It's different to say if we had Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper, Steve McNair, Aaron Brooks, Byron Leftwich. But to go straight to Brett Favre, that slapped me in the face, like what I've done and what I set out to do?"</div>
    IMO if someone only sees something as being a race issue, then they may be racist. I think any reasonable person would not take racism from TO's comment (which by the way he only agreed to - Michael Irvin asked him if the Eagles would be better off with Farve). Yet McNabb immediately went in that direction.

    And why is it so disrespectful to choose Favre over Aaron Brooks, Byron Leftwich, etc? Brett Favre is a better QB IMO than any of the QB's listed there - but to McNabb it was an insult because Favre is white.

    I don't know about you, but being insulted because of what Ownes said leads me to believe that he might be a bit racist...
     
  2. Pats37

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    I read that this morning and am 100% in agreement with you. The racist is definitely McNabb not TO and when the Favre comment was originally made I never once thought of it as a "Black and White" thing nevermind "Black on Black crime"...now that is just hilarious IMO.

    The question is..is there a reporter out there with the Balls to call McNabb out for being racist...I doubt it but it would be refreshing to see it.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I mean, you have a guy that has been criticized just about all his career and now the last criticism is that I'm selling out because I don't run anymore, by an African-American</div>
    When did TO say this?
     
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    i think it is a possibility...
     
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    Wannab Favre nfl-*****s member

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    Yes, if a white star said that he would have been suspended or fined. seriously you have to look at it that way
     
  6. DolfanDale

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wannab Favre)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, if a white star said that he would have been suspended or fined. seriously you have to look at it that way</div>
    How do you know this? Do you have an example?
     
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    I didn't see Turd's comments as being about race, but I have never been a teammate of Turd's. Perhaps McNabb saw something more in Turd's comments because he has been privy to comments and conversations with Turd that the public hasn't heard. I'm not ready to hang a racist label on McNabb over one comment. I do know that McNabb's race has been brought up unfairly on more that one occasion. Perhaps he has started to assume thing must be about race because people keep using his race to tear him down.
     
  8. vikingfan

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't see Turd's comments as being about race, but I have never been a teammate of Turd's. Perhaps McNabb saw something more in Turd's comments because he has been privy to comments and conversations with Turd that the public hasn't heard. I'm not ready to hang a racist label on McNabb over one comment. I do know that McNabb's race has been brought up unfairly on more that one occasion. Perhaps he has started to assume thing must be about race because people keep using his race to tear him down.</div>
    Yeah, on that note, a local radio personality said that we don't know what McNabb has been going through, we don't know what "hate mail and threatening letters he has gotten when going to games in the south".

    What???? Are you kidding me??? Where is he getting this stuff?

    Look, to say that McNabb may be privy to other comments is one thing, but it seems as if McNabb is ALWAYS the center of a racial debate.

    I won't say for sure that McNabb is a racist, but this comment in itself has a racist spin on it.

    I have to agree with the sentiment that if a white person had said this people would be screaming racism - the fact is, people are more inclined to label someone as a racist if they are white.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't see Turd's comments as being about race, but I have never been a teammate of Turd's. Perhaps McNabb saw something more in Turd's comments because he has been privy to comments and conversations with Turd that the public hasn't heard. I'm not ready to hang a racist label on McNabb over one comment. I do know that McNabb's race has been brought up unfairly on more that one occasion. Perhaps he has started to assume thing must be about race because people keep using his race to tear him down.</div>
    Yeah, on that note, a local radio personality said that we don't know what McNabb has been going through, we don't know what "hate mail and threatening letters he has gotten when going to games in the south".

    What???? Are you kidding me??? Where is he getting this stuff?

    Look, to say that McNabb may be privy to other comments is one thing, but it seems as if McNabb is ALWAYS the center of a racial debate.

    I won't say for sure that McNabb is a racist, but this comment in itself has a racist spin on it.

    I have to agree with the sentiment that if a white person had said this people would be screaming racism - the fact is, people are more inclined to label someone as a racist if they are white.</div>
    I do agree that a white person is more inclined to be labeled a racist, but it's not McNabb's fault that he keeps getting pulled into racial debate. McNabb didn't make Limbaugh make his comments. McNabb didn't make J. Whyatt Mondesire make his comments. I was just saying that perhaps because people keep pulling him into racial debates is one of the reasons that he's starting to see race in everything. I've tried re-reading and re-reading his comments about Largent and Jurevicious and they just don't sound very good. I blame the ESPN reporter doing the interview for not pressing McNabb and making McNabb state his views a little clearer. However, I hope my suggesting that McNabb may be privy to other comments or conversations that Owens might have made isn't being compared to some radio idiot talking about possible hate mail. That's wild speculation. Had I been conducting the interview, I would have asked the following questions.

    - Why do you feel that Terrell Owen's comments about Favre leading the team contained racial overtones?

    -Why do you consider being compared to Favre, as opposed to Culpepper or Michael Vick, insulting? Could you please clarify your statement regarding Largent and Jurevicious and explain why being compared to a caucasion athlete is so insulting?

    Don't get me wrong. If McNabb is a racist, then I don't want to defend him. However, calling someone a racist is a pretty serious charge. What would be worse? Child molester. Wife beater. The truth is that we all have some prejudices that we have to confront on a daily basis. I hope we're not rushing to judgement when it comes to McNabb.
     
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    I've never been a huge fan of McNabb but I think he could of looked at it differently. TO could of said worse like if we had Mike Vick we'd be a better team.. I think most of us would agree Favre is a better QB than Vick and at that time the comments made by Irvin, Favre was playing lights out football. He started to struggle right after that. Favre is a future Hall of Famer. There's nothing wrong with being compared to him. I don't think McNabb?s comments were meant to be racist. Like Dale said he's not the instigator in any of this. If I were McNabb I'd simply say I wish TO luck and I'm moving on.. Speaking out like what was shown yesterday just makes the situation linger on. Which is just stupid!
     
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    McNabb is no more racist than the head of the Philly NAACP who called him out after TO's last rant in Philly.

    I lost alot of respect for DMac clownin' w/ TO back in @004 when they were mocking their arguement from the previous. He has earned some back.

    I got the feeling the #5 was relieved & irritated but most of all human especilly after taking what could be considered the moral high ground for all of the 2005 seasdon.
     
  12. vikingfan

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Don't get me wrong. If McNabb is a racist, then I don't want to defend him. However, calling someone a racist is a pretty serious charge. What would be worse? Child molester. Wife beater. The truth is that we all have some prejudices that we have to confront on a daily basis. I hope we're not rushing to judgement when it comes to McNabb.</div>
    I would agree that rushing to judgement would be premature, especially based on this one statement. It was, however, the first thing that jumped into my head when I heard this. I just started to wonder why McNabb would be so incredibly offended?

    Obviously McNabb has a right to be offended that a teammate, even though prodded to do so, outright made these statements. But the thing that really made me wonder was the fact that he did not seem to take exception to that - but more to the fact that Favre is white!

    Is McNabb racist? No, I really don't think so. But I do think he at least suffers from racism paranoia. It would be hard for me to say that based off these statements alone he is making some broader statement about the ability of one race over another.
     
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    i am not trying to be racist when i say this or offend anybody either, but in the Area i go to school, a lot of city kids are moving there. and about 80% of those kids are African American, and it seems like almost anything said is a Racist comment around them.

    So what im saying is that maybe McNabb is the same, hell take one comment and blow it way out of proportion.

    now i can almost guarantee that if this happened to 2 white players( idk lets say, Peyton Manning and Dallas Clarke) Manning wouldnt make it seem racist. but i guess it is because of the rough history African Americans have had, makes them re act differently to different situations.
     
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    Is it really racism paranoia, if they are really out to get ya? (Sorry, had to say it.) McNabb's race has been brought up twice in the media. Peyton Manning probably won't ever play the race card, but I doubt that his race will ever be brought up when he gets into a slump. McNabb is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He can't seem to escape or please any of his critics, black or white. In McNabb's defense, you can't keep throwing his race in his face on a consistant basis and then be surprised when that starts affecting how he views life.

    What bothers me is the comment that McNabb made regarding Favre, Largent and Jurevicious. It sounded like he was saying, "How dare you compare me to an inferior white quarterback? How would you like it if I compared you to some inferior white wideouts?" (I would take Steve Largent over Turd Orifice anyday of the week.) Perhaps that isn't an accurate interpretation of his statements and, like I said before, I blame the interviewer for not getting to the core of what McNabb was saying.

    Personally, I hope I'm misinterpreting McNabb's statements. I've always admired him for taking the high road in these controversies. It would be a shame to ruin all of that now.
     
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    To really understand what McNabb was feeling, you have to go back to where he is from. I watched the show on Fox, behind the Glory "Donovan McNabb". He did not grow up in a ghetto, his father was a hardworker and moved his family to a mostly white neighborhood with better schools and stuff. They acctually had pictures of when people used to spray paint the house "Get the N***ers out of here" and throw rocks at the windows. He always remembered that. And then with Rush Limbaugh bringing up that whole argument about black QB's. And now with his own teammate stabbing him in a back, the guy finally had to go out there and defend himself. He said Largent and Jurevicious because they are probably the first ones that came to his mind, it's not like there is a large amount of white WRers out there. "Black on Black crime" was too much, but I think the way he meant it was, that they as African Americans are trying to break a stigma, and to show that a Black QB can win a Super Bowl (besides Douggie W). And to have your "brother" go at you like that, is just wrong. I like McNabb alot, I think he's a great role model for the kids, and overall a good person. My fiance acctually met him once, and she said that he was one of the nicest guys ever. I just think that the interview was long, and he said some shit he shouldn't have. You can think it, just dont say it...
     
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    [quote name='DolfanDale']Is it really racism paranoia, if they are really out to get ya? (Sorry, had to say it.)[/quote]
    "You know, they have a name for people who think everyone is out to get them."

    "Yeah.....observant"
    (One of my favorite Woody Allen lines - Curse of the Jade Scorpion)

    [quote name='DolfanDale']In McNabb's defense, you can't keep throwing his race in his face on a consistant basis and then be surprised when that starts affecting how he views life.[/quote]
    Keep throwing it up in his face? Aside from what E4L said about his childhood (which would make sense for some of his paranoia), he has had the race issue come up twice. Out of curiousity I went back to read exactly what it was that Limbaugh said about him:

    I agree with Peter King on this one. That's not racist, that's boneheaded. There is nothing in that statement that says a black QB is inferior to a white QB. What that does say is that the media plays favorites towards black QBs. Is he right? I don't know - but it was a stupid comment. Stupid comments aside, this statement was interpreted as racism.

    Mondesire's comments were incredibly stupid, and I can see where there was a tinge of racism to it. However, I had not read his full column until this morning (linked in the last sentence). From the side reports I had heard I expected him to call out McNabb and use words that can really get you in trouble. Did I see those? No. Again, it was a stupid article, and there was definitely a race issue in there..

    That to me is the only defense that I can run with for McNabb being paranoid. But that does not change the fact that he is paranoid. And his comments about Largent and Jurevicius definitely lead me to question where he stands.
     
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    Limbaugh's comment's may have not been racist, but, if you read behind the lines, he is saying that McNabb is overhyped because of his race. Of course, Limbaugh picked the right time to say it because McNabb was struggling at the time. How many white quarterbacks have their race brought up when they hit a slump?

    Then, Mondesire has the nerve to tell him that he's not playing "black" enough. Even if you don't think that Mondesire's assigning race to playing style isn't a steaming pile, what did McNabb do that deserved such a public attack from the community that should understand and support him? McNabb's "black on black" crime statement may be a silly on the surface, but part of what he is saying is that he's tired of being attacked by people who should understand what it means to be a minority.

    It might only be two attacks, but it was two attacks in the national media. Obviously, it was public enough for us to know about it and express an opinion about the matter. The attacks were unjustified and about race. I don't understand the Favre/Largent/Jurevicious comment, but I'm not ready to call him a racist or even paranoid at this moment, but I guess I will be listening to McNabb a little more closely in the future.
     
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    If part of McNabb's rant was directed at any1 other than TO he should have made that clear. Right or wrong, TO's comments had nothing to do with race.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Limbaugh's comment's may have not been racist, but, if you read behind the lines, he is saying that McNabb is overhyped because of his race. Of course, Limbaugh picked the right time to say it because McNabb was struggling at the time. How many white quarterbacks have their race brought up when they hit a slump?

    Then, Mondesire has the nerve to tell him that he's not playing "black" enough. Even if you don't think that Mondesire's assigning race to playing style isn't a steaming pile, what did McNabb do that deserved such a public attack from the community that should understand and support him? McNabb's "black on black" crime statement may be a silly on the surface, but part of what he is saying is that he's tired of being attacked by people who should understand what it means to be a minority.

    It might only be two attacks, but it was two attacks in the national media. Obviously, it was public enough for us to know about it and express an opinion about the matter. The attacks were unjustified and about race. I don't understand the Favre/Largent/Jurevicious comment, but I'm not ready to call him a racist or even paranoid at this moment, but I guess I will be listening to McNabb a little more closely in the future.</div>
    I am sorry, i agree with everything except the limbaugh analysis. His comment was accurate. The media was very desirous of black QBs to do well. mcnabb was, and is, still given too much credit
     
  20. Eagles4Life

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    HAHA, McNabb is given too much credit??? OK, you just proved that you are a Racist yourself my friend. If anything, McNabb has been more critisized then an average QB, that considering his accomplishments. 5 Time Probowler, 4 time NFC East champ. 4 Times went to the NFC Championship game, got to the Super Bowl, First QB in history to have a season with 30+ TD's and less then 10 INT's and so on...and all this before the age of 30!!! Sure he has lost some games, but who hasn't.
     

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