Playoffs Game 5: Warriors @ Mavericks

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  1. huevonkiller

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    Oh lol Sorry I didn't type in Dirk in my previous post, my bad.

    <div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I suppose Dirk can be a difference-maker but everybody already knows what Dirk is going to contribute with his shooting. Dirk's block on Barnes was good, I can't deny that. But otherwise Jrich should have chewed Dirk up after he went flying passed JRich on the pump-fake, and I didn't see a foul when Barnes came back and blocked Dirk - I saw more of a foul on Dirk on JRich's 3 point attempt. You are right that Stackhouse didn't play that well last night. I should have mentioned Devin Harris with Stackhouse being big in the second half. Stackhouse I recall had some big shots in the 3rd and then Devin Harris countered it with easy penetration to the hoop.

    However Jerry Stackhouse's ability to get to the FT line can give the Warriors some trouble, like Corey Maggette has to the Warriors (especially when the refs make anticipation calls rather than calls on what happens in the play).</div>

    Hmm I just don't think they need Stack to get a win, but I understand what you are saying.
     
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    Was Monta in with 3 minutes remaining when they were doubling up on BD? Nelson should've put monta in, so when they double up on BD, all he has to do is drive it to the rack for an easy 2. Punish em. Not saying the strategy will gurantee to work, but seems like better percentage basketball.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">LAKERSKB8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I hope this series doenst end up like the Lakers-Suns series of last year. Golden State has to finish it in game 6.</div>

    There is no way this series can end up like the LAker series from last season. WE don't have a selfish quitter named KObe Bryant. When the chips were down he quit on you, refusing to shoot, playing some stupid game ..... like he did vs sac on xmas day a few years back when he didnt shoot nearly the entire game to prove some point.

    I don't see Baron or any warrior trying to make some idiotic statement as Kobe did vs the suns.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There is no way this series can end up like the LAker series from last season. WE don't have a selfish quitter named KObe Bryant. When the chips were down he quit on you, refusing to shoot, playing some stupid game ..... like he did vs sac on xmas day a few years back when he didnt shoot nearly the entire game to prove some point.

    I don't see Baron or any warrior trying to make some idiotic statement as Kobe did vs the suns.</div>

    Ugh not another one of these.

    So Kobe wanted to lose that series just to prove that point and choke away a 3-1 lead? Not choking (via losing game seven) and getting out of the first round are more important "points" to prove.

    The Lakers were winning that series because he started to share the ball more (especially with his big men).
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Was Monta in with 3 minutes remaining when they were doubling up on BD? Nelson should've put monta in, so when they double up on BD, all he has to do is drive it to the rack for an easy 2. Punish em. Not saying the strategy will gurantee to work, but seems like better percentage basketball.</div>
    Good point, I was thinking the same thing. He's one of the few W's that can create his own shot, except, not in this series. We haven't really seen Ellis attack the rim in this series. Devin Harris too fast for him?

    But on D, I think Ellis could have stopped Harris. Ellis is the counter for Harris's speed. The problem is Ellis is nonexistent in this series.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">LAKERSKB8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I hope this series doenst end up like the Lakers-Suns series of last year. Golden State has to finish it in game 6.</div>

    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ugh not another one of these.

    So Kobe wanted to lose that series just to prove that point and choke away a 3-1 lead? Not choking (via losing game seven) and getting out of the first round are more important "points" to prove.

    The Lakers were winning that series because he started to share the ball more (especially with his big men).</div>

    Not another what?

    Absolutely Kobe is more interested in proving points than winning games. EXplain, why he pulled the crap on Xmas day as well? Because Kobe is all about Kobe. Everyone saw the second half of that game vs the suns and everyone witnessed him quitting on his team. Kobe is far more interested in scoring titles than winning another Championship.

    I looked the entire league over, in fact i looked into the data base just in case there was some player i was missing but i could not find one Jesus that ever played in the league, yet he is your favorite player? Are you sure you are not refering to baseball and Jesus Alou?

    Why don't you take your Religious pushing, kobe loving, rose-tinted biased opinions back to the LAker board. Why must you always come here poisoning our conversations?

    That is what i said when i saw you were back here ..... Not Another _______
     
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    Didn't Jordan in Game 4 against the Pistons in Doug Collin's last year do the same thing? Yes and it was more obvious because he wanted Collins fired.

    <div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not another what?

    Absolutely Kobe is more interested in proving points than winning games. EXplain, why he pulled the crap on Xmas day as well? Because Kobe is all about Kobe.</div>

    That's a regular season game, not a game SEVEN in the post season. It was nice that you included a vague sentence here too. People criticize Kobe in any fashion every time he doesn't win.

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    Everyone saw the second half of that game vs the suns and everyone witnessed him quitting on his team. Kobe is far more interested in scoring titles than winning another Championship.</div>

    And how did you figure this out? Do you know what Talent and TS% is?

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    I looked the entire league over, in fact i looked into the data base just in case there was some player i was missing but i could not find one Jesus that ever played in the league, yet he is your favorite player? Are you sure you are not refering to baseball and Jesus Alou? </div>
    That wasn't a very intelligent or cute diss so get over yourself.

    I also like Jesus Christ the prophet so it is a double meaning; the sig is also just there for fun (obviously, since I don't think Kobe is the GOAT).

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    Why don't you take your Religious pushing, kobe loving, rose-tinted biased opinions back to the LAker board. Why must you always come here poisoning our conversations?</div>

    Hey wait a sec, you're not that important fellow. I don't go around looking for your posts so i can counter them.

    I'm pretty liberal actually and impartial. If you want to criticize Kobe's fourth quarter in Game 1 of this year's series, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Or if you want to say the Lakers shouldn't have beat the Kings in Game 6 in 2002, and claim that they stole the title in 02, I'd have to agree. What do you know about me? You also don't even know why you think Kobe is a rapist; seems like blind hate to me.

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    That is what i said when i saw you were back here ..... Not Another _______</div>

    So? How immature. Who's really the brat around here? When I said "not another one of these" I was referring to Kobe debates.
     
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    Excellent reply. Huevo. And i say that sans sarcasm.

    Kobe doesnt win because he isnt a winner. He is not a leader. He does not garner respect. REgular season or playoffs.

    I stand by my saying that it is offensive to me that you push your religion here. I don't want to read your bumper stickers and i dont want to hear about it and i do not push my spiritual beliefs on others in turn.



    At any rate, I appreciate your response. I thought you handled it very well and damn, all i was gonna say was "I think MJ got Collins fired similar to how MAgic got Westhead fired. Star Power."
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Excellent reply. Huevo. And i say that sans sarcasm.

    Kobe doesnt win because he isnt a winner. He is not a leader. He does not garner respect. REgular season or playoffs. </div>

    Well personally I do think he made a mistake by not shooting more last year, but that was more of a tactical error and the game was completely out of hand imo (25 point lead on a night when Kobe's teammates were playing badly). If he was trying to make a point, I don't think that is a huge blemish on his resum?, because he wasn't a bad facilitator that night either.


    I assume you also dislike him because you believe he broke up the Lakers, correct? Well Shaq did admit that he instigated the quarrels between him and Penny/Kobe and demanded 34 million a year from the Lakers' Front Office. Just saying.

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    I stand by my saying that it is offensive to me that you push your religion here. I don't want to read your bumper stickers and i dont want to hear about it and i do not push my spiritual beliefs on others in turn.</div>

    Lol, but I'm not pushing my religion (and I mean "lol" in a light-hearted way). The sig is just a joke even though I may be Christian (not of any denomination and I'm quite modern). I don't have a problem with agnostic or atheist people.

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    At any rate, I appreciate your response. I thought you handled it very well and damn, all i was gonna say was "I think MJ got Collins fired similar to how MAgic got Westhead fired. Star Power."</div>

    Hmm ok then I guess, those other two guys did indeed get rid of their coaches.

    To conclude, Kobe's decision-making (and gambles on defense recently) does vex me but that's it. He's averaged 5.4 APG (he's not a good player unless he averages 6.4 APG?) on a mediocre/below-average squad this year (with a TS% that is 5% above the average); I can't fault him for that.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Excellent reply. Huevo. And i say that sans sarcasm.

    Kobe doesnt win because he isnt a winner. He is not a leader. He does not garner respect. REgular season or playoffs. </div>
    I think Kobe-haters like yourself completley ignore the fact the Lakers suck. Kobe could be MJ, Bird & Magic in one and still couldn't get Kwame to catch the basketball. Kobe isn't a winner? A guy with 3 rings isn't a winner? That's ridiculous and so are ur statements. If the Lakers had anything remotley close to a talented team, everything ur sayin would be hogwash.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Kobe-haters like yourself completley ignore the fact the Lakers suck. Kobe could be MJ, Bird & Magic in one and still couldn't get Kwame to catch the basketball. Kobe isn't a winner? A guy with 3 rings isn't a winner? That's ridiculous and so are ur statements. If the Lakers had anything remotley close to a talented team, everything ur sayin would be hogwash.</div>

    Please .... KObe is a loser

    Take Away Shaq from those championship teams and the lakers are out in the first round if they make the playoffs at all.

    Take away KObe and the LAkers are still competitive, in the playoffs.

    Just replace KOBe with an average shooting guard and you would still have those rings, but you cant replace shaq


    Kobe rode the coattails of shaq it is that simple.

    Samaki walker has a ring too and i dont think of him as a winner....


    You take the current LAker roster throw out Kobe and Add Shaq..... and you are a better team
     
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    warriors purposely lost game 5 because they wanted to celebrate the biggest upset ever at home...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">SIXPAK GQ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">warriors purposely lost game 5 because they wanted to celebrate the biggest upset ever at home...</div>

    I'd like to think that too and not because of their enthusiasm for shooting the three pointer without shifting the defense around by cycling the ball around the arc. LOL. I don't mind high volume threes as long as it's off dribble penetration, midrange post up move, or Baron Davis or Sjax having a good game. Some of these Pietrus, Barnes, AH and Jrich three pointers are kind of silly though. But I guess out of those four cringers, I like Jrich or AH shooting the three ball because they are both insanely good at making them when they are hot. Jrich... ugly mechanic on the shot, but I love the guy when he gets it going with a dunk.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">SIXPAK GQ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">warriors purposely lost game 5 because they wanted to celebrate the biggest upset ever at home...</div>

    Not quite. However, congrats to the Warriors!

    It's ridiculous how the Mav's 67 - 15 season is crushed in the first round. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">23MJordan23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not quite. However, congrats to the Warriors!

    It's ridiculous how the Mav's 67 - 15 season is crushed in the first round. [​IMG]</div>

    I wonder if Avery wishes he would have played us full strength in the last regular season game. If they had won that ONE GAME, we wouldn't have made the playoffs, and they would have faced the Clippers (and had a much better chance at advancing). [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Wild Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I wonder if Avery wishes he would have played us full strength in the last regular season game. If they had won that ONE GAME, we wouldn't have made the playoffs, and they would have faced the Clippers (and had a much better chance at advancing). [​IMG]</div>

    Seriously. The worst thing for the Mavericks, was that it seemed like they got very little out of that game as well. From that game I would have noticed how productive Maurice Ager was and would have tried to get him involved in the game if needed. But for as versatile as everyone was calling the Mavericks, Avery Johnson just kept going with the same players leaving Warriors open for perimeter shots by playing Dirk and Diop together and it just seemed as if Dallas couldn't get anything going, except for some streaks of Devin Harris at one point, Stackhouse at another point, and Dirk at another point. I thought Josh Howard could have become the best player in the series, at least up there with Baron Davis and others but he just kept coming and leaving. Oh yeah, and then Deavan George sucks and and so did Buckner and Croshere. Ager however, I think could become a good player. I am happy with how the Mavericks decided to play this series, it helped the Warriors.

    Also because of the season success that just gave the Warriors a big advantage. The Warriors already knew how to play them and knew what to do. The Mavericks had no clue and at times during the series found something here and there, but never held onto anything very positive. Also since the Warriors advanced to the playoffs playing at a playoff level, that proved to be an advantage as the Mavericks seemed like they were not used to playing with so much intensity, neither were their fans. But for the Warriors, man...it was awesome.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Please .... KObe is a loser

    Take Away Shaq from those championship teams and the lakers are out in the first round if they make the playoffs at all.

    Take away KObe and the LAkers are still competitive, in the playoffs.

    Just replace KOBe with an average shooting guard and you would still have those rings, but you cant replace shaq


    Kobe rode the coattails of shaq it is that simple.

    Samaki walker has a ring too and i dont think of him as a winner....


    You take the current LAker roster throw out Kobe and Add Shaq..... and you are a better team</div>

    The Lakers were 2-3 without Kobe... Your ideas are extreme.

    Anyway, congrats Warriors on a fantastic series.
     

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