Slow Paced or Fast Paced

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  1. bbwSwish

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    Our head coaching options seem to be narrowed down to Marc Iavaroni and PJ Carlisimo. These guys have completely different offensive styles so my question is, which style do you prefer? Carlisimo runs a methodical, defensive oriented, half court offense, slow paced attack. He has been mentored under Greg Popovich so he uses a similar game plan. Iavaroni has been an assistant coach in Phoenix for awhile and it seems like if we hire him, we're going to use a fast paced, run n' gun, Suns' style of offense. So my question is, which style do you feel is better suited for this team?

    I think we should go with the slow paced, defense oriented attack. We have two big men who are both capable of playing good defense and blocking shots so we should take advantage of that. Teams that thrive in the fast break style usually lack big man so they make up with it for their speed (think Golden State Warriors). I think we have all the tools to thrive in Carlisimo's system so I'm leaning towards him at this point. Defense wins championship. The Spurs and Jazz defeated the Suns and Warriors in this years playoffs. Coincidence? I think not. I think we should copy the Spurs blueprint and build a similar team. We need a good defense and efficient offense if we want to be a contender and Carlisimo brings that.
     
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    I say we get Iavoroni and we play a mix of slow/fast paced. We do have quality defensive players so we don't have to run and sacrifice all defense, but with Jameer Nelson running the point and if Grant Hill returns we need to run a little bit. I think we run more than we did last year, but still have a lot of half court sets as well.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I say we get Iavoroni and we play a mix of slow/fast paced. We do have quality defensive players so we don't have to run and sacrifice all defense, but with Jameer Nelson running the point and if Grant Hill returns we need to run a little bit. I think we run more than we did last year, but still have a lot of half court sets as well.</div>

    I said we should hire Iavaroni before but the more I think about it, Carlisimo could help us build a Eastern Conference version of San Antonio. Look no further than their three championships in recent years to see proof of why we should construct a similar team. All of the great teams play great defense (Detroit, San Antonio, etc.) so we should do the same.

    The only way I would want Iavaroni would be if he was willing to be flexible and not constantly run. I like what I hear about him developing younger players but if he relies to much on a fast paced offense, I don't think we could ever make it to that next level (just look at what Phoenix has done in the playoffs with much better players than we would have in his system).
     
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    He wouldn't bring the Phoenix Suns style of offense. That is Mike D'Antoni's offense, did you read the article on all the places that Iavoroni has played and coached? He knows pretty much every single style. He can find the right mix with our current team so that we won't have to use so much cap to find a different PG. I like the fact that he can adapt to whatever works best with the team rather than have 1 set style. That is the main factor in me pushing him to the top of my list. All the other coaches pretty much have 1 style and if it's not working I don't think they can change their style. I know there's not much that we can see from Iavoroni until he actually has a chance to coach a team, but I like what I hear. He's not an idiot, he knows we can't play like the Phoenix Suns because we don't have a distributing PG like Nash. He will keep half court and some defense, but he will also implement some running. I just like the fact that it is early into Iavoroni's coaching career and of course he wants to succeed so he will be more willing to change to better fit the team then Carlisimo, IMO.

    PJ Carlisimo has never won a playoff series. He has a career 45% winning percentage. Not to mention he will play similarly to what Brian Hill played. Not to mention we have to get a new PG because Jameer Nelson is not a half court offense PG. Sure he's learned from Greg Popovich but we don't have anywhere near the personnel that the Spurs have. Could PJ change his system if it doesn't work?
     
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    Orlando needs to play a slower pace. Howard, Turkoglu, Nelson and Redick are all suited to a fluid, halfcourt, motion style of offense, but aren't suited for a running attack. Dooling, Arroyo and Ariza are more suited to a fast break attack, but their decision-making and basketball IQ in the open floor is questionable, so it's best that they be restrained.

    Carlesimo nor Iavaroni is best for the Magic. Carlisle is the guy yall want.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Silva Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Orlando needs to play a slower pace. Howard, Turkoglu, Nelson and Redick are all suited to a fluid, halfcourt, motion style of offense, but aren't suited for a running attack. Dooling, Arroyo and Ariza are more suited to a fast break attack, but their decision-making and basketball IQ in the open floor is questionable, so it's best that they be restrained.

    Carlesimo nor Iavaroni is best for the Magic. Carlisle is the guy yall want.</div>

    Nelson certainly isn't a half court PG. He proved that this year. If we are going to do half court we HAVE to get a good PG. I don't think JJ is a halfcourt type guy either, unless we run plays for him. I think he would be better suited running up and down the court and spotting up(like the Suns 3 point shooters do) when the defense can't get back in time. Dwight can run if needed. He's not fluid enough in the halfcourt. I would say Turkoglu and Darko are 2 guys that need us to keep the halfcourt game, but I disagree about the others.

    I think Iavoroni would have been #1, but Carlisle is #2. If we are going to do slow paced we might as well get Carlisle, but of course the Magic aren't even going to interview the logical choice.

    tbh, I don't think Carlisimo is that big of an upgrade over Brian Hill. He will get the bigs a little more involved, but we are going to have to change so much on our roster to fit the system. We are going to need to get a guy who can shoot and play D at wing, we are going to need a true PG, on top of more depth at the big man positions. If we enter with the same roster we are going to maybe improve 3-4 games and maybe 1-2 seeds, IMO.
     
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    I think it's a no brainer to go slow paced. With being your franchise player, you need to play a style of ball he's suited for.
     
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    I think we should run. Dwight can run with us and it showed in that nasty alley oop play against Boston. He's athletic like a young Amare. I think it could work. Nelson's decision making though sucks so that'll probably lead to even more TOs which is definitely bad especially since we already sucked.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think it's a no brainer to go slow paced. With being your franchise player, you need to play a style of ball he's suited for.</div>

    I'd actually say he's best suited for a fast paced game. His post-up game at the moment is garbage, and not suited at all for halfcourt sets.

    Dwight still gets a majority of his points in putbacks, and open dunks. Not back to the basket.

    If we run he can definitely show his athleticism. He can finish better than Amare around the hoop, and can just power people out of the way like Shaq could.
     
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    I would choke somebody if we got Carlisimo. I haven't really been paying attention, but I knew Iavoroni was on our radar, had no idea Carlisimo was though.
     

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