With Smith and Milicic gone...

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  1. N4S

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    Who do we target now?
     
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    Good question. Re-signing Smith should have been a priority and now that we have let him slip away, we need some solid frontcourt help. We need to sign Herbert Hill (although he will not provide veteran leadership and will not be great straight away).
    Who is even left in Free Agency?:
    Melvin Ely?
    Rafael Arujao?
    Danny Fortson?
    Corliss Williamson?
    Alexander Johnson from Memphis?

    I have no real idea who we should go after now!!!
     
  3. Smitty

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    I wouldn't mind Corliss..I was sad to see him go in the C-Webb trade.
     
  4. Voodoo Child

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    Is Anderson Varejao holding out for more than the MLE? If not, then I'd sign him over any other big man out there. He might be intrigued by the opportunity at having a starting role in Philly.

    Both Alexander Johnson and Lawrence Roberts are free agents too, and both are easy targets because they won't be resigned by the Grizzlies. They're both around 22-24 years of age and are solid 5 ppg/5 rpg players who occassionally started for the Grizzlies last season. Neither makes anything more than the minimum salary either.

    This actually isn't that bad of a roster -

    C - Samuel Dalembert l Steven Hunter l Lawrence Roberts
    PF - Anderson Varejao l Jason Smith l Alexander Johnson l Shavlik Randolph
    SF - Andre Igoudala l Thad Young l Rodney Carney
    SG - Willie Green l Kyle Korver l Derrick Byars
    PG - Andre Miller l Kevin Ollie
     
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    Forgot all about Varejao. Roberts and Johnson would be great too...all 3 are still pretty young too.
     
  6. N4S

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    Lets get Webber back for the vet minimum.
     
  7. B.e.

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    I don't think Webber would want to come back to Philly and end his career a loser, nor does Philadelphia want him.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Is Anderson Varejao holding out for more than the MLE? If not, then I'd sign him over any other big man out there. He might be intrigued by the opportunity at having a starting role in Philly.

    Both Alexander Johnson and Lawrence Roberts are free agents too, and both are easy targets because they won't be resigned by the Grizzlies. They're both around 22-24 years of age and are solid 5 ppg/5 rpg players who occassionally started for the Grizzlies last season. Neither makes anything more than the minimum salary either.

    This actually isn't that bad of a roster -

    C - Samuel Dalembert l Steven Hunter l Lawrence Roberts
    PF - Anderson Varejao l Jason Smith l Alexander Johnson l Shavlik Randolph
    SF - Andrew Igoudala l Thad Young l Rodney Carney
    SG - Willie Green l Kyle Korver l Derrick Byars
    PG - Andre Miller l Kevin Ollie</div>
    Sorry to be petty.

    I agree though.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">N4S Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lets get Webber back for the vet minimum.</div>

    Hell no [​IMG]

    But if I were the Sixers, I would really target Alexander Johnson, who was recently released by the Grizzlies. The guy is still extremely young, and should come for cheap. He has a lot of potential, and considering we're in rebuilding stage, it's a low risk high reward type of move
     
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    Alexander Johnson seems to be the obvious guy right now. He doesn't look like he'll turn out to be detrimental to our cap situation, as somebody like Varejao would probably demanding the full mid-level exception. It would not be a good thing at this point to get too far over the luxury tax, which seems to be right where our cap number is. Like I said Varejao, while he would be a great fit, would probably demand the full mid-level exception meaning he is out of question at this point. From an owners point of view it would be like giving him a $10 million contract the first year, due to the roughly $5 million/year from the mid-level exception and we would have to match the money through the luxury tax.

    We should try to keep the spending this off-season to a minimum, being that we have a tough task ahead of us in re-signing Andre Iguodala and potentially Louis Williams. Not to mention that right now we are in line to have quite an exciting off-season in 2008. At this point I'm fine with signing Alexander Johnson to a cheap contract, then sharing the playing time at the power forward spot between Jason Smith, Shavlik Randolph, Johnson, and it would be nice to see Herbert Hill get his fair shot.

    Varejao is the high energy guy that could really clean up on the boards that we need, but I'm so anxious to finally see this team with cap room again. That being said, it's my worst nightmare that King will sign an adequate player in Varejao for $5 million. Also Alexander Johnson, who seems considerably cheaper than Varejao at this point, isn't too bad on the boards either. He has good size and just seems like the smart choice.

    Naturally the easy solution would be sign Varejao to a one-year contract, or a team option after one year, but there's no reason for him to agree to that. We can see our cap room disappear by signing Varejao to a multiple year contract, even at the mid-level exception, then giving Iguodala a reasonable contract extension. Not sure about you guys, but a guy like Elton Brand or Kevin Garnett in 2008 sounds a lot more appealing to me than Varejao.
     
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    I promise you the last place KG wants to go is Philadelphia.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I promise you the last place KG wants to go is Philadelphia.</div>

    Not quite sure if it's truly the last place that he wants to come, there are not a lot of teams that are in our situation with the cap room and young talent we have. Plus the city is an unbelievable place to land marketing deals, something that might attract KG after spending his career in Minnesota.
     
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    ^^Minnesota has more and better young talent than philly so why on earth would he leave for a worse situation? The only way he is leaving is if he is goin to a contender
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^^Minnesota has more and better young talent than philly so why on earth would he leave for a worse situation? The only way he is leaving is if he is goin to a contender</div>

    There's so many more marketing opportunities for somebody like Garnett in Philadelphia than there is in Minnesota. To my knowledge, there's not a lot of contenders that can shell out a maximum contract to someone like Garnett. Also, Philadelphia is a lot closer to winning in the East than Minnesota is to winning in the West.

    Saying Philadelphia is in a worse situation is biased. Philadelphia's young core is far better than Minnesota's. After Foye and Brewer there's virtually no young talent in Minnesota. In Philadelphia, there's guys like Andre Iguodala, Rodney Carney, Kyle Korver, Willie Green, Thaddeus Young, Jason Smith, and Louis Williams, all of these players haven't scratched the surface of their talent level. In Philadelphia, there's a core of young talent, in Minnesota there's just a few pieces here and there, there's a huge difference.
     
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    We've got a better chance at seeing Samuel Dalembert turn into the next great center than landing Kevin Garnett next offseason.

    First of all, in order for us to sign him, he must opt out. I really doubt Minnesota is stupid enough to hold onto Kevin Garnett until the next offseason. Garnett will most likely be traded this year, and nobody will trade for Garnett without knowing whether or not he will just be a one year rental, since he's most likely going to demand a lot of quality pieces.

    Garnett also doesn't seem like the type of person to screw a franchise by opting out after just one season of play. In order to even have a chance at landing Garnett, he'll have to opt out first. I honestly don't see that happening, especially since most of the contending teams won't have enough cap space to sign him anyways, unless he's willing to take the MLE.

    IMO, Garnett will either go to Golden State, Phoenix, Dallas, or Los Angeles. All four of those teams are more attractive than the Sixers at this point if he wants to win a championship
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">We've got a better chance at seeing Samuel Dalembert turn into the next great center than landing Kevin Garnett next offseason.

    First of all, in order for us to sign him, he must opt out. I really doubt Minnesota is stupid enough to hold onto Kevin Garnett until the next offseason. Garnett will most likely be traded this year, and nobody will trade for Garnett without knowing whether or not he will just be a one year rental, since he's most likely going to demand a lot of quality pieces.

    Garnett also doesn't seem like the type of person to screw a franchise by opting out after just one season of play. In order to even have a chance at landing Garnett, he'll have to opt out first. I honestly don't see that happening, especially since most of the contending teams won't have enough cap space to sign him anyways, unless he's willing to take the MLE.

    IMO, Garnett will either go to Golden State, Phoenix, Dallas, or Los Angeles. All four of those teams are more attractive than the Sixers at this point if he wants to win a championship</div>

    Naturally the chances of signing Garnett are slim, but nobody knows what Garnett could be thinking. If he opts out and hits the free agent market, we could potentially look pretty silly if we aren't prepared to make him (along with either Arenas, Brand, or Marion) a quality offer. There's other guys out there other than Garnett and Brand, the two were just used as examples to show the potential upgrade we could have at the power forward spot if we don't sign a guy like Varejao for the sake of using our mid-level exception.

    We're going to have to exercise the qualifying offer on Andre Iguodala (then look to re-sign him through the 2008 season to an extension), in addition we're going to have to exercise the team option on Rodney Carney, and we're going to have to re-sign Louis Williams as it would be painful to see him succeed on another team after we developed him for 3 years. When it's all said and done, our cap situation isn't all as glamourous as people make it out to be, we have a lot of contracts to negotiate with the players still on our roster.

    It's necessary for this team to be able to bring in a top of the line player in next year's off-season, and it would be a huge risk to sign Anderson Varejao (thus the point of my previous posts) while still trying to maintain enough money to bring in a player such as Garnett, Brand, Marion, or Arenas. That was the point of my original post. Not that we would be able to bring in Garnett with ease. Garnett, Brand, and Marion could be looking for a well paying contract into their mid 30's and that's something at this point we can afford, considering Billy King doesn't use up our full mid-level exception.
     
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    It seems the only options everyone is discussing is Varejo and Alexander Johnson. And as good of players as they are...I'm just not quite sure there "starter ready". And even if they do start i dunno if they'll help much. Could be wrong though, hopefully my boy Alxeander Johnson,former Seminole, can proove me wrong.

    But anyways, I think the best option would be to go at PJ Brown. And go at him strong. Talk him outta retiring and he could fill the gap at the 4 spot for at least a season. Now convincing him to come to a current losing team...might be another story.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">The Walrus Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It seems the only options everyone is discussing is Varejo and Alexander Johnson. And as good of players as they are...I'm just not quite sure there "starter ready". And even if they do start i dunno if they'll help much. Could be wrong though, hopefully my boy Alxeander Johnson,former Seminole, can proove me wrong.
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    Well, it doesn't really matter. This team isn't going to contend for anything next season. Signing someone like Alexander Johnson would be ideal because he'll most likely come cheap, and he's still young with tons of potential. It's a low risk high reward type of move.

    As for PJ Brown, I would love Brown in a Sixers uni if he came cheap. He can provide some much needed veteran leadership to this young squad
     
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    Guys, just to let you know that Webber comment was a joke. lol

    I would never want that bum back.
     
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