Biedrins to star on Latvia squad

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    Latvia lost to spain in 2nd game 93 - 77. Ab had 17 points ( 8/15 FG 1/2 FT ) and 5 rebounds. Gasol had 26 points and 9 rebounds. Ab was not guarding Gasol in start of the game, not to pick up fast fouls, but even when he did, Gasol was getting prety good looks, and could not shut him down completley. Rudy Fernandez had 20 points, Calder?n had 14 and Garbajosa had 10. Here is box http://www.eurobasket2007.org/en/cid_BqypG...5170-B-4-2.html and highlights http://esports.risinajumi.lv/temp/Basketbo...07_04_09_07.mpg

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    And Btw Belinelli had 15 points (4/7 2pt 2/8 3pt 1/2 ft), as Italy lost to France 69 - 62. Parker exploded for 36 points.

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    2 of 8 three point attempts? I don't like the sound of that.
     
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    Belineli had 20 (3/6 2pt 3/5 3pt 5/6 ft) points in win over Poland 70 - 79. Latvia managed to lose to Portugal 77-67, and is eliminated from turnoment and Beans is free till NBA camp starts. He scored 14 points (2/8 FG 10/16 FT) grabed 18 rebounds and made 3 blocks. And don't wory about his FG% he was doubled and tripleteamed a lot [​IMG] Highlights... http://esports.risinajumi.lv/temp/Basketbo...07_05_09_07.mpg On the bright side he did not get injured, and only added few things to his game i think.
     
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    Is it just me, or is Belinelli a concerningly and surprisingly bad free throw shooter?
     
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    Hey with Bellinelli's mediocre free throw shooting (for a pure shooter), he's definitely Warrior material. [​IMG]

    Can we still imagine a team of:

    Baron Davis (prior to this year)
    Jrich
    Gerald Wallace
    Brandan Wright
    Andris Biedrins

    All the other team would have to do is foul us a lot so we score nothing but 1 pointers or no-pointers.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">hipokrat_x(LV) Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Belineli had 20 (3/6 2pt 3/5 3pt 5/6 ft) points in win over Poland 70 - 79. Latvia managed to lose to Portugal 77-67, and is eliminated from turnoment and Beans is free till NBA camp starts. He scored 14 points (2/8 FG 10/16 FT) grabed 18 rebounds and made 3 blocks. And don't wory about his FG% he was doubled and tripleteamed a lot [​IMG] Highlights... http://esports.risinajumi.lv/temp/Basketbo...07_05_09_07.mpg On the bright side he did not get injured, and only added few things to his game i think.</div>

    Latvia lost to Portugal? Man... must be fatigue. I cannot believe it... Thanks for the updates, hip.

    BTW do you know how big the opposing centers are in weight? I kind of wondering how Biedrins gets all the rebounds against his matchups. Is it mostly because he's taller, stronger, quicker against his competition? I just haven't seen enough of the game to figure out how he's been so dominant on the glass. Also, does it have to do something with the trapezoidal key they have in international basketball?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (custodianrules2)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class="quote_poster">hipokrat_x(LV) Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Belineli had 20 (3/6 2pt 3/5 3pt 5/6 ft) points in win over Poland 70 - 79. Latvia managed to lose to Portugal 77-67, and is eliminated from turnoment and Beans is free till NBA camp starts. He scored 14 points (2/8 FG 10/16 FT) grabed 18 rebounds and made 3 blocks. And don't wory about his FG% he was doubled and tripleteamed a lot [​IMG] Highlights... http://esports.risinajumi.lv/temp/Basketbo...07_05_09_07.mpg On the bright side he did not get injured, and only added few things to his game i think.</div>

    Latvia lost to Portugal? Man... must be fatigue. I cannot believe it... Thanks for the updates, hip.

    BTW do you know how big the opposing centers are in weight? I kind of wondering how Biedrins gets all the rebounds against his matchups. Is it mostly because he's taller, stronger, quicker against his competition? I just haven't seen enough of the game to figure out how he's been so dominant on the glass. Also, does it have to do something with the trapezoidal key they have in international basketball?</div>

    I think Biedrins has a major athleticism advantage over pretty much everyone in the tourney, except maybe Pau Gasol and Andrei Kirilenko. Theres not a whole lot of athletic big men on these european teams it seems, meanwhile Biedrins is probably the quickest 7 footer in the NBA outside of KG plus hes got a better vertical leap than Bosh and Carmelo Anthony, great length, and great instincts on the glass. Not to mention hes the only half decent big man on his team so I'm sure he can scoop up all those rebounds with ease since hes not competing with anyone else. </p>
     
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    That's probably true. I think maybe part of it could also be that on the box out, players are usually posted outside the trapezoid, whereas in the nba, they're right next to the hoop practically. Biedrins could roll away and worry about less people putting a body on him close to the hoop as he's rebounding from out of position. I kind of like that international court design because it creates less crowding and camping close to the hoop (because of penalty of 3 in the key/defensive violations).</p>

    BTW Here's my nba list for comparable Andris Biedrins type bodies in terms of lateral quickness and mobility:</p>

    Tyson Chandler</p>

    Kevin Garnett</p>

    Tiago Splitter</p>

    Jeff Foster</p>

    Marcus Camby</p>

    That's the one thing that really helps make a good or great defensive player is the ability to cover the angles by moving quickly side to side. Guys can be athletic, but there are very few who are 6'11 or 7 feet tall that can shuffle their feet. Usually, it's the lighter, lankier PF-C that have this mobility.</p>

    That combined with heart and the ability to leave their feet quickly usually creates a very good rebounder, especially offensive rebounding, but maybe that's because these guys don't get involved on offense in any other way unless they're like Kevin Garnett who have go-to moves in the mid-post.</p>
     
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    I remember that I was very high on Splitter before the draft. He seemed like he'd be a great fit next to Biedrins, and is practically the same player but with better passing and shooting skills. </p>

    Another interesting thing about Biedrins' international rebound rate is that the amount of rebounds he gets is unheard of in Euro Ball because of the pace and fewer possesions than NBA games.</p>
     
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    Yeah, at the time I didn't know we were getting Brandan Wright or if Biedrins could stay out of foul trouble, so naturally Splitter seemed like a good fit for PF/C as a defender and guy who could score as a 4th or 5th option guy as a starting player. A lot of scouts projected he's a role player at best, but he's very talented in terms of textbook fundamentals (ability to score well with either hand), smart decisionmaker, quick, and pretty strong for his weight.</p>

    But hey we got Brandan Wright who is a pretty good gamble if his college game and body matchup translates to the pros. Now Wright is a guy that doesn't play much effort on defense, but he blocks shots and has very good mobility. The attitude can change perhaps if he gets motivated and gets stronger in the post. His scoring ability is superb though, even if he shoots as well as Andris Biedrins does at the foul line and from outside of 12 feet. I'm still going to miss Jrich though and will wonder if Wright will make that trade an absolute robbery against Michael Jordan. I heard the guy is going to be a stud, but I hope Nelson gives him a shot and that my friends aren't overhyping him like they did with Mike Dunleavy Jr. I knew Dunleavy was going to suck back then and they just wouldn't hear it. Now with Wright, I think the biggest thing that's going to hold him back is the same problem with Biedrins. They are both too light to compete against bigger teams and that will be the Warriors undoing in the middle and frontcourt. But... we still got some very talented, big light weight players that are quick who can at least add more fuel to reach the playoffs instead of worrying about if we'll get 50% win pct.</p>
     
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    I think the difference between Wright and Dunleavy is this;</p>

    The Warriors practically begged Dunleavy to get into the draft so that we could have picked him. He was fed the silver spoon his whole career, and he was picked way before he should have been.</p>

    Wright fell more then he should have due to the hip flexor. He was arguably the number 3 or 4 pick before the workouts and he has something to prove with a coach that allows zero bullshit.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Air Monta)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    I think the difference between Wright and Dunleavy is this;</p>

    The Warriors practically begged Dunleavy to get into the draft so that we could have picked him. He was fed the silver spoon his whole career, and he was picked way before he should have been.</p>

    Wright fell more then he should have due to the hip flexor. He was arguably the number 3 or 4 pick before the workouts and he has something to prove with a coach that allows zero bullshit.</p>

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    I think the big difference between Wright and Dunleavy is that Wright is a better athlete who shows signs he can play bigger than he weighs and be able to play a true position at power forward. The problem with Dunleavy is while he's multi skilled, he did not have the foot speed or lower leg strength to stay at either forward position for very long. He was a utility guy that did not have a lot of shot consistency, he did not have the ability to defend well because of his lack of foot quickness, and he was not a big fan of contact due to getting outmuscled a lot. He also did not take advantage of his tall size in the post when being guarded by a smaller player. Again, it probably came down to strength and his ability to work off balance when there was contact on any play. It's why he'd also choose to flop rather than hold his ground. He was just not that quick nor coordinated to deal with a more physical style of game where everyone is fast and everyone has long arms.</p>

    But yeah, different times too because 2007 draft was pretty strong compared to 2002. I'd take the top 3 in 2007 versus 2002 any day of the week. We got Oden, Durant, Wright, Yi, + the Gators + lots of nice looking prospects vs. Yao, Amare, Boozer, Prince, and Butler and Amare and Boozergot passed up big time.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (custodianrules2)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, at the time I didn't know we were getting Brandan Wright or if Biedrins could stay out of foul trouble, so naturally Splitter seemed like a good fit for PF/C as a defender and guy who could score as a 4th or 5th option guy as a starting player. A lot of scouts projected he's a role player at best, but he's very talented in terms of textbook fundamentals (ability to score well with either hand), smart decisionmaker, quick, and pretty strong for his weight.

    But hey we got Brandan Wright who is a pretty good gamble if his college game and body matchup translates to the pros. Now Wright is a guy that doesn't play much effort on defense, but he blocks shots and has very good mobility. The attitude can change perhaps if he gets motivated and gets stronger in the post. His scoring ability is superb though, even if he shoots as well as Andris Biedrins does at the foul line and from outside of 12 feet. I'm still going to miss Jrich though and will wonder if Wright will make that trade an absolute robbery against Michael Jordan. I heard the guy is going to be a stud, but I hope Nelson gives him a shot and that my friends aren't overhyping him like they did with Mike Dunleavy Jr. I knew Dunleavy was going to suck back then and they just wouldn't hear it. Now with Wright, I think the biggest thing that's going to hold him back is the same problem with Biedrins. They are both too light to compete against bigger teams and that will be the Warriors undoing in the middle and frontcourt. But... we still got some very talented, big light weight players that are quick who can at least add more fuel to reach the playoffs instead of worrying about if we'll get 50% win pct.</div></p>

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    Yeah, I finally got a chance to see Splitter for a few games in their entirity during the FIBA Americas tourney and he looked solid. Definitely doesn't strike me as a guy who will be a star but he could definitely be a great role player. The fundamentals and team oriented style that he plays with sort of remind me of Oberto of the Spurs. Obviously at this point Oberto is old and pretty unathletic but Splitter seems to have a similar style of play while still being pretty athletic and a legit 6'11 (if not taller). </p>

    Comparing Dunleavy to Wright is apples to oranges IMO. Dunleavy has no position, they said he could play all 5 positions coming out of colleges but it turns out he plays all the positions equally badly. Wright is all PF, a lot of people are thinking maybe he can be a SF due to his athleticism but anyone who watched him in college ought to believe hes a pure 4. He plays in the paint all the time, has little outside game at this point, shot 60% FGs, has excellent footwork in the post and a money baby hook. Hes only around 210 lbs but he was a banger in the ACC and I can't remember seeing him get pushed around. I believed he was the clear cut #3 overall prospect in the draft, I know there were a lot of others who felt the same way, he really only started slipping during the workout portion of the pre-draft process. He managed to get 15/6 playing third (or maybe even fourth or fifth) fiddle on his team and was the MVP of the ACC tourney, imagine if he was in Durant's situation where he was the man on a team with decent talent around him in a worse conference. He probably would have put up insane numbers, been allowed to show more skills, etc. </p>
     
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    Run, correct me If I'm wrong, but he was the number 2 prospect coming out of his high school behind Oden? Alos, is the GI Joe Kung Fu Grip a reference to the Sublime song, Caress Me Down?</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (custodianrules2)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, at the time I didn't know we were getting Brandan Wright or if Biedrins could stay out of foul trouble, so naturally Splitter seemed like a good fit for PF/C as a defender and guy who could score as a 4th or 5th option guy as a starting player. A lot of scouts projected he's a role player at best, but he's very talented in terms of textbook fundamentals (ability to score well with either hand), smart decisionmaker, quick, and pretty strong for his weight.

    But hey we got Brandan Wright who is a pretty good gamble if his college game and body matchup translates to the pros. Now Wright is a guy that doesn't play much effort on defense, but he blocks shots and has very good mobility. The attitude can change perhaps if he gets motivated and gets stronger in the post. His scoring ability is superb though, even if he shoots as well as Andris Biedrins does at the foul line and from outside of 12 feet. I'm still going to miss Jrich though and will wonder if Wright will make that trade an absolute robbery against Michael Jordan. I heard the guy is going to be a stud, but I hope Nelson gives him a shot and that my friends aren't overhyping him like they did with Mike Dunleavy Jr. I knew Dunleavy was going to suck back then and they just wouldn't hear it. Now with Wright, I think the biggest thing that's going to hold him back is the same problem with Biedrins. They are both too light to compete against bigger teams and that will be the Warriors undoing in the middle and frontcourt. But... we still got some very talented, big light weight players that are quick who can at least add more fuel to reach the playoffs instead of worrying about if we'll get 50% win pct.</div></p>

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    Yeah, I finally got a chance to see Splitter for a few games in their entirity during the FIBA Americas tourney and he looked solid. Definitely doesn't strike me as a guy who will be a star but he could definitely be a great role player. The fundamentals and team oriented style that he plays with sort of remind me of Oberto of the Spurs. Obviously at this point Oberto is old and pretty unathletic but Splitter seems to have a similar style of play while still being pretty athletic and a legit 6'11 (if not taller). </p>

    Comparing Dunleavy to Wright is apples to oranges IMO. Dunleavy has no position, they said he could play all 5 positions coming out of colleges but it turns out he plays all the positions equally badly. Wright is all PF, a lot of people are thinking maybe he can be a SF due to his athleticism but anyone who watched him in college ought to believe hes a pure 4. He plays in the paint all the time, has little outside game at this point, shot 60% FGs, has excellent footwork in the post and a money baby hook. Hes only around 210 lbs but he was a banger in the ACC and I can't remember seeing him get pushed around. I believed he was the clear cut #3 overall prospect in the draft, I know there were a lot of others who felt the same way, he really only started slipping during the workout portion of the pre-draft process. He managed to get 15/6 playing third (or maybe even fourth or fifth) fiddle on his team and was the MVP of the ACC tourney, imagine if he was in Durant's situation where he was the man on a team with decent talent around him in a worse conference. He probably would have put up insane numbers, been allowed to show more skills, etc. </p></div>

    Ha! I was about to say Fabricio Oberto as well!

    Comparing Dunleavy to Wright could be like comparing apples to oranges, and despite both being fruit, they're very different. I understand that. Both Dunleavy and Wright are tweeners when it comes to body type, but one can still be the good kind of tweener, especially with that kind of length, athleticism, and natural skill. Brandan Wright has good technical skills and well coached fundamentals for his position of power forward. I'm not sure about his ability to go small forward because of not enough talent in shooting and ballhandling, but he should be able to compete at power forward if he is strong and balanced enough to handle the physical style of play against bigger players. I think he might, considering what he had accomplished as a freshman going against guys more physically mature than him. Ideally, I would like to have Brandan Wright a lot bigger, but he could easily fill out to a nice 240 lbs and grow an inch. He's got nice hands and like how we talk about Ike Diogu and Patrick O'Bryant's incredibly long arms, Brandan Wright has it too. So in a sense, we get an athletic guy who probably plays more like he's 6'11 or 7 feet tall and has some footspeed like Marcus Camby or those glimpses and bits we saw from an obscure player like Jonathan Bender (former pacer and mcdonald's mvp).</p>

    Brandon's numbers are terrific. 60% from the field shows me that he takes the smart shots he knows he can make. And this was done in the ACC like you mentioned. Of course, I won't put much stock in the ACC as it's only relative to the year. The year that North Carolina won cleared its stock of nba players so it left other college teams able to win a title. Just look at the Gators and why they won again. Their top nba-bound guys stayed. </p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Air Monta)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    Run, correct me If I'm wrong, but he was the number 2 prospect coming out of his high school behind Oden? Alos, is the GI Joe Kung Fu Grip a reference to the Sublime song, Caress Me Down?</p></div>

    I have no idea who the top prospects were coming out of high school, I would assume he was right up there though with Durant, Thad Young, Spencer Hawes, etc.</p>

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    And yes the GI Joe Kung Fu Grip is a reference to Carress Me Down but Shape tells me that its also from a Wu Tang Clan song. </p>
     
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    I remember hearing about Oden, Wright and Thaddeus a lot. I think Durrant during college ball.</p>
     

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