Teams Interested in Sign & Trade for Pietrus

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  1. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    Teams Interested in Sign & Trade for Pietrus

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Walters said other clubs, such as the Miami Heat, Cleveland Cavaliers and Dallas Mavericks, are interested in a sign-and-trade deal with Pietrus, which would allow those clubs to offload a similar amount of salary and thus avoid paying luxury-tax fees that would essentially double Pietrus' cost. But the Warriors have shown little interest in pursuing that option as well.

    "They're figuring out what they're going to do," Walters said. "That's their prerogative.

    .. It lets Mike know perhaps how Golden State views him."

    Even though Barnes is an unrestricted free agent, he's found the market similarly constricted because of luxury-tax concerns on the part of potential suitors, and he'll be hard-pressed at this point to get even half of the starting salary he desired -- the full $5.36 million midlevel exception.

    Adding to the woes for Pietrus and Barnes is the presence of other free agents, such as Miami's James Posey, who play the same position.

    Posey's agent, Mark Bartlestein, confirmed Tuesday that the Warriors were still among several teams still pursuing his client, who could help replace some of the veteran presence lost when the Warriors dealt away Jason Richardson to the Charlotte Bobcats on draft night for rookie forward Brandan Wright.</div>

    Source: Contra Costa Times
     
  2. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I don't know what Pietrus expects, his coaches must have told him that he's not a complete basketball player for a wing or a two guard. He'd probably be better off being a 4 or a 5 man in a Division 2 basketball team. In the nba, he has to scrap because his skills are so unpolished and inconsistent for his position. If he was as aggressive as Mike Dunleavy Jr., he'd pretty much have nothing.
     
  3. Clif25

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    <div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know what Pietrus expects, his coaches must have told him that he's not a complete basketball player for a wing or a two guard. He'd probably be better off being a 4 or a 5 man in a Division 2 basketball team. In the nba, he has to scrap because his skills are so unpolished and inconsistent for his position. If he was as aggressive as Mike Dunleavy Jr., he'd pretty much have nothing.</div>

    Well Don Nelson was pretty high on Pietrus. I guess perhaps it went down a little bit as the season progressed. But to start last season Pietrus and Nelson were on very good terms, though perhaps some of that could just had been a confidence builder/media ploy. But also Pietrus performed great I thought to start the season. And I thought for the whole season in general Pietrus played pretty well. I can understand where both sides are going with their thoughts and emotions. It's obvious a business decision and I'll just let the two do their business and see what happens next before I make too many assertions.
     
  4. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well Don Nelson was pretty high on Pietrus. I guess perhaps it went down a little bit as the season progressed. But to start last season Pietrus and Nelson were on very good terms, though perhaps some of that could just had been a confidence builder/media ploy. But also Pietrus performed great I thought to start the season. And I thought for the whole season in general Pietrus played pretty well. I can understand where both sides are going with their thoughts and emotions. It's obvious a business decision and I'll just let the two do their business and see what happens next before I make too many assertions.</div>

    Nice ideas, Clif. I also think Don Nelson liked Pietrus due to the fact that he had nobody else that could perform at SF or PF and do the Eduardo Najera thing (scrap for offensive boards and get the putbacks).

    A lot of W's fans who weren't nitpicking on Pietrus' game already saw that he was more effective than the duke disappearing act because Pietrus played a lot more aggressive mentally, he was quicker and tougher in initiating contact and taking in the contact (Pietrus is a light two guard trying to guard bigger swingmen whereas Dunleavy was so slow he had to be a position defender than a shotblocker or out of position rebounder). That stuff can't fly in the zone defense scheme where we're trying to hide defensive turds like Murphy.

    Going back to Dun, when we watched Dunleavy it was just sad how smaller guys used to push him around and he'd fall over. I think a lot times he wasn't acting at all trying to get a flop call. It's like he was really getting shoved around by smaller players because they were both stronger and quicker than he.

    We fans just couldn't hang with that because he never made use of his skills because he wasn't consistent enough of an outside or set shot or off the dribble shooter, he wasn't aggressive enough in wanting to be the setup guy off the dribble penetration, and he just couldn't d up in zone defense because we had too many other weak defenders we had to cover for. Sadly, I thought his 2003 offensive game was the best of his career, and then after that contract signing he took a huge crap on us blaming fans and whoever for his failure to perform. That's the Duke hype for ya... just like Danny Ferry. Nice fundamentals, crappy results because they aren't an advantageous mismatch for the team that drafted them in the nba.
     
  5. AlleyOop

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    <div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">A lot of W's fans who weren't nitpicking on Pietrus' game already saw that he was more effective than the duke disappearing act because Pietrus played a lot more aggressive mentally, he was quicker and tougher in initiating contact and taking in the contact...</div>

    Well, Pietrus was mostly a spot-up corner three shooter in Nellie's offense. He would get it on the far wing or in the corner, and either shoot a three or pump fake and drive baseline. Half of his pump-fake-n-drives would be turnovers because he'd step out of bounds, stepping backwards before accelerating. Another quarter of those would be traveling calls. One in four would be an actual shot.

    Pietrus is a train wreck with the ball. Despite many years in the league, he's developed NO offensive finesse with the ball whatsoever. He has one gear, and that is at 100% speed. He has no touch, no hesitation moves, terrible dribbling on drive moves, and poor footwork.

    Despite that, he still manages electrifying dunks out of nowhere.

    But in Nellie's offense, Pietrus really doesn't do anything other than wait in the corner and hope someone passes to him. He is NEVER asked to initiate any type of set, either on the block or at the point. He is never given the ball and asked to run a play. It's like "stay out of the way, Mike, and either catch for the three or come in and get a tip-in dunk."

    In his first year in the league, Pietrus established himself as a top-tier defender. Where has that gone? He's still making the same dumb decisions in year five (has it been five?) as he did in year one. He still gets called for the same fouls. He's a good defender as far as defenders go, but he has failed to really improve and capitalize on that potential he showed in year one. If he did that, and REALLY made a name for himself defensively, he'd have his four year deal already done.

    But, unfortunately for Pietrus, he's de ja vu. Year 1, year 1, year 1, year 1. No improvement, at least not much in my opinion. I could be wrong. Stat wise, sure, his numbers are decent for a back up, but has it really taken him five years to learn how NOT to travel? And he still travels 1 or 2 times a game? That's not a comforting sign if you're a GM searching for a SF on the free agent market.
     
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    Alley, i think i disagree....

    Pietrus' offense under Monty was hide in the corner and wave his arm for the ball and when it didnt come, because fisher was busy dribbling, mishandling the ball and looking for his own shot, he'd just stand there amazed fisher couldnt see he was open... and then run back down.


    Under Nelson when he hung in the corner and didnt get it ....he at least crashed the boards and had some pretty important boards. ... i think he has gotten out on the break far batter than with Monty....

    but yeah he has handles like foyle, barnes and beans ..... ya just dont want those guys handling the rock at all.... i think i will add harrington to that list as he is similar to barnes trying to do the spectacular when he cant even dribble without looking down.

    I just love Mullin doing nothing...... I hope Barnes and Pietrus continue to get to offers until they are forced to pietrus taking the tndered offer and barnes getting what's left.

    Maybe they both will try to go to boston now...

    I am still glad we are not taking crap just appease Pietrus and barnes in a sign and trade. Pietrus through his agent saying he wants to play in Miami but the Warriors won't help them or offer him a multi year deal cracks me up.... You are so right .;..he had his chance to improve his value and didnt..
     
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    I think Pietrus was pretty tamed down last season from making many mistakes. He shot 49% from the field and 39% from the three point range. He had a similar turnover rate as Stephen Jackson I believe (well if you go by TO/minute I think). He was second in blocks per game. He was a good rebounder for the team, especially when he was asked to play the PF position. I am not begging for Pietrus to come back. However I think he can be an important piece to this team, as I think he has been for most of his inconsistent and semi-injured plagued career. Again I'll let the two parties do their business but keeping Pietrus around at a good price sounds good to me. I just hope it can get done.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">but yeah he has handles like foyle, barnes and beans ..... ya just dont want those guys handling the rock at all.... i think i will add harrington to that list as he is similar to barnes trying to do the spectacular when he cant even dribble without looking down.

    I just love Mullin doing nothing...... I hope Barnes and Pietrus continue to get to offers until they are forced to pietrus taking the tndered offer and barnes getting what's left.

    Maybe they both will try to go to boston now...

    I am still glad we are not taking crap just appease Pietrus and barnes in a sign and trade. </div>

    Of course you have to go and make this about Barnes, eh boogie? [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Miami Herald -
    James Posey met last month with Golden State president Chris Mullin and also had been linked to a potential sign-and-trade deal for restricted free agent Mickael Pietrus.

    But because of luxury-tax implications, the Heat is no longer believed to be as willing to push Posey in such deals.

    The Heat is interested in Pietrus and is considering trades that involve players under contract.

    One deal discussed included the Warriors sending Peitrus and point guard Sarunas Jasikevicius to Miami for point guard Jason Williams. </div>

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    Jason Williams? To back up Baron? I'd rather keep Sarunas and let him back up Baron. If the Heat want Pietrus, then we can do Pietrus + Sarunas for Haslem.
     
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    Clippers reportedly got Brevin Knight for 2 years for 4 mil. WHY DIDN'T WE SIGN HIM AT THAT PRICE!?!?!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Clippers reportedly got Brevin Knight for 2 years for 4 mil. WHY DIDN'T WE SIGN HIM AT THAT PRICE!?!?!</div>

    Why would he want to come here and play behind Baron though? He'd get about 10 mpg, maybe even less since Nellie hates players who cant shoot.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jason Williams? To back up Baron? I'd rather keep Sarunas and let him back up Baron. If the Heat want Pietrus, then we can do Pietrus + Sarunas for Haslem.</div>

    that's the deal i'd do, even if it cost a future draft pick
     

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