OT: Donaghy To Name Up To 20 Refs Involved In Gambling?

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Former NBA official Tim Donaghy will reportedly give federal prosecutors information that will implicate other referees in some forms of gambling activity as part of his cooperation with government officials.

    The offenses might not include any criminal activity, but could draw the ire of NBA commissioner David Stern, who has insisted the Donaghy situation was that of a "rogue, isolated criminal."

    A report on 1050 ESPN Radio in New York said Donaghy will give prosecutors as many as 20 names of other NBA officials and will detail their involvement in some form of gambling activity. The specifics of the gambling allegations are reportedly believed to include betting in casinos.</div>

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2979605 Story

    Tony Brothers, Bennett Salvatore, Derrick Strafford, and Steve Javie. I'm willing to put a few bucks on it.
     
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    pun intended right?!
     
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    jesus. i don't even know what to say. i don't know whether to think he's a piece of ***** like canseco, or it's good that he's IDing the crooked refs. wow.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Air Monta Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2979605 Story

    Tony Brothers, Bennett Salvatore, Derrick Strafford, and Steve Javie. I'm willing to put a few bucks on it.</div>

    AM, I bet a few bucks you really won't. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">707to805 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">jesus. i don't even know what to say. i don't know whether to think he's a piece of ***** like canseco, or it's good that he's IDing the crooked refs. wow.</div>

    I get the same feeling. I'm glad that he is ratting out all the officials involved in gambling but at the same time its still a scumbag move to throw everyone else under the bus to save his own ass.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I get the same feeling. I'm glad that he is ratting out all the officials involved in gambling but at the same time its still a scumbag move to throw everyone else under the bus to save his own ass.</div>

    Well based on the ridiculous amount in jail he is facing (25 years), can you blame him? He has to rat out people.
     
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    He got caught doing what he did, so man up to the consequences. Don't ruin other peoples lives because they were smarter in keeping this on the d/l than you.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">P.A.P. Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He got caught doing what he did, so man up to the consequences. Don't ruin other peoples lives because they were smarter in keeping this on the d/l than you.</div>

    The government is the one ruining lives by charging people with 20+ years for offenses no one in the real world cares about.

    If a ref is part of this scheme, that's their fault; why don't they man up as well anyway?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well based on the ridiculous amount in jail he is facing (25 years), can you blame him? He has to rat out people.</div>

    Thats the max he could be convicted of though, I really doubt he would have gotten anywhere near that.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Thats the max he could be convicted of though, I really doubt he would have gotten anywhere near that.</div>

    Should it even come to that? He'd be a fool to risk going to jail that long and not making a plea/agreement with the prosecution of some sort.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well based on the ridiculous amount in jail he is facing (25 years), can you blame him? He has to rat out people.</div>

    yeah, i can blame him. you do the crime, you do the time. you musta been the classroom tattle tale in elementary school. as long as it helps you, bring other people down with you eh?? i'm all for the guilty parties being identified...but that doesn't mean that he isn't a spineless rat for snitching out people who did him no wrong. he knew the risk he was taking...obviously the reward was worth the risk...he fucced up, that's his bad.
     
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    "Tattle tale" in elementary school? That's a pretty bad analogy since a snitch in elementary/high/whatever school isn't facing 25 years in prison with a chance to really reduce their time in the pen.

    <div class="quote_poster">707to805 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yeah, i can blame him. you do the crime, you do the time. you musta been the classroom tattle tale in elementary school. as long as it helps you, bring other people down with you eh?? i'm all for the guilty parties being identified...but that doesn't mean that he isn't a spineless rat for snitching out people who did him no wrong. he knew the risk he was taking...obviously the reward was worth the risk...he fucced up, that's his bad.</div>

    So do you also think the war on drugs is a great idea too since chronic is against the law? I guess every law the government thinks of is fair and reasonable.

    Aren't you being hypocritical? Since when was it against the law to help police in an investigation? If you have an "Oh well screw him" attitude towards Donaghy then I see no reason why these other refs shouldn't go down with him.

    Please, these laws you're referring to were written by uptight right-wing jerks. What basis does the government have for punishing Donaghy to that degree, did he kill someone?

    So you're saying you would take it on the chin and go to jail for 20+ years? That's just moronic, unless there's something wrong with your head and you enjoy spending quality time with your new cellmate, and shower partner, Bubba.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The government is the one ruining lives by charging people with 20+ years for offenses no one in the real world cares about.

    If a ref is part of this scheme, that's their fault; why don't they man up as well anyway?</div>

    I know where you're coming from, but NBA makes billions of dollars from ticket sales from the money of those people who come to watch a fair and fun game. Not a game that is cheated. It might be a little thing if only HE bet on games and he tried to make the team win that he had bet on, but if its more than just 1 ref, Im glad he's gonna rat them out.

    Fair refs = more fun in the game and no superstar advantages.
     
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    Who else here thinks Huevon's an informant?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">P.A.P. Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Who else here thinks Huevon's an informant?</div>

    I'd gladly rat you out if it cut my jail sentence of 5/10/etc. years in half.

    *Notice the hint of sarcasm btw.
     
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    I wanna know what games were fixed. I always thought game 7 detroit LA championship game, the absolute phantom foul on jabbar by laimbeer was a joke. Obviously jabbar didnt get touched.

    Clearly game 7 vs portland in 2000 was fixed. It was as if thye lakers committed no fouls at all in the fourth quarter and every call went the lakers way fueling the portland collapse.

    game 6 championship game vs sac, wcf, probably the most obvious of all games that were fixed. I remember david aldridge writing an article and bringing it up on tnt how obvious the calls were all for LA. From calling phantom fouls getting Webb in foul trouble and throughout the game. Funny, how Aldridge was quickly snuffed quiet about this game.

    SAme 6 vs Timberwolves lakers..... some glaring phantom calls that cost thye Wolves their only shot at the Championship . Once again the fix was in.


    I always found it interesting that despite a so called cap, the teams from Major markets always participated and won championships. And STern built his NBa empire on allowing teams to build and why there is a soft cap. I wish there was a hard cap like in the NFL in both baseball and basketball. Level the playing field and then see who the real teams are.

    The 80's : LA, Houston, Boston - at least one major market in every game. Boston not really a major market.

    the 90's : LA, Houston, New York and Chicago. The anamoly being the detroit vs portland series.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">"Tattle tale" in elementary school? That's a pretty bad analogy since a snitch in elementary/high/whatever school isn't facing 25 years in prison with a chance to really reduce their time in the pen.



    So do you also think the war on drugs is a great idea too since chronic is against the law? I guess every law the government thinks of is fair and reasonable.

    Aren't you being hypocritical? Since when was it against the law to help police in an investigation? If you have an "Oh well screw him" attitude towards Donaghy then I see no reason why these other refs shouldn't go down with him.

    Please, these laws you're referring to were written by uptight right-wing jerks. What basis does the government have for punishing Donaghy to that degree, did he kill someone?

    So you're saying you would take it on the chin and go to jail for 20+ years? That's just moronic, unless there's something wrong with your head and you enjoy spending quality time with your new cellmate, and shower partner, Bubba.</div>

    the tattle tale analogy works...obviously with criminal charges it's on a way bigger scale, but it just shows a person's values and character.

    and no, i think the war on drugs is retarded. i don't think you should lock somebody in a cage unless it makes society a physically safer place. in most drug cases, it's a victimless crime.

    and how am i being hypocritical?? helping cops isn't against the law, it's a cowardly way to save your own ass. i don't want any crooked refs in the nba, so i'm not even saying i don't want him to rat the others out...i'm just saying that if he does, he's a spineless little rat that deserves the snitch treatment he'd get when he went to jail.

    yeah the laws are made by uptight right-wing jerks, but if the laws weren't there, there wouldn't be an opportunity for him to make a profit. he took the risk, which is fine, but don't bring down others because they were more successful at what they were doing than you were.

    and yeah, i am saying i'd take it on the chin. it's not like he rigged games on accident. if you're not willing to do the (excessive) time, then don't break the goddamn law. if you go that route, breaking the law is moronic...not NOT snitching.

    it sounds like you live in a very sheltered suburban environment, so i'll give you a tid bit of wisdom. snitches get less jail time, but the time they get is wayyyyyy rougher than a non-rat. so, you'd spend less time with your new boyfriend bubba, but he'd probably slit your throat after you got sodomized in the shower. You suck.
     
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    The Portland/Laker game certainly rates high on my list. There was also a first round series... 02 or 03, maybe? Wolves vs. Lakers, it was a game that went to OT on a Kobe four point play, but it was clear that he wasn't touched when he took the three... Garnett would later foul out on another phantom call, and it took a clutch playup by Anthony Peeler to put the Wolves ahead. Barkley said it was the worst officiated game he'd ever seen, and admitted he was rooting for the Wolves because they were getting the shaft.
     
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    That reminds of another famous phantom call that got the big market into thye championship...... when Lj got that 4 point play
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">707to805 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">the tattle tale analogy works...obviously with criminal charges it's on a way bigger scale, but it just shows a person's values and character.</div>

    Obviously I wouldn't tell on people for no reason at all, so that was a stupid and false analogy.

    In Donaghy's case, he's telling on his peers because he would like to reduce the amount of times he is sodomized in jail. How the hell is it that the same? You can say what you want about him having a harder tenure in jail if he snitches, but one's best years in life are lost in jail if you don't snitch. Once you get old (60,70,80) you're screwed.
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
    and no, i think the war on drugs is retarded. i don't think you should lock somebody in a cage unless it makes society a physically safer place. in most drug cases, it's a victimless crime.</div>

    So how doesn't this apply to gambling? It's a victimless crime as well.

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    and how am i being hypocritical?? helping cops isn't against the law, it's a cowardly way to save your own ass. i don't want any crooked refs in the nba, so i'm not even saying i don't want him to rat the others out...i'm just saying that if he does, he's a spineless little rat that deserves the snitch treatment he'd get when he went to jail.

    yeah the laws are made by uptight right-wing jerks, but if the laws weren't there, there wouldn't be an opportunity for him to make a profit. he took the risk, which is fine, but don't bring down others because they were more successful at what they were doing than you were.</div>

    Locking people up in jail for minor offenses is more messed up. What is it about that that you don't get?

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    and yeah, i am saying i'd take it on the chin. it's not like he rigged games on accident. if you're not willing to do the (excessive) time, then don't break the goddamn law. if you go that route, breaking the law is moronic...not NOT snitching. </div>

    You'd stay in jail the rest of your fertile life? Well then, you defeat the main purpose in life which is for one to take advantage of those "prime" years. I'd rather have a chance at having a real life outside of jail some day than to just let some overzealous prosecutor/judge step all over me. I doubt you believe in "no snitching" propaganda in these extreme cases.

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    it sounds like you live in a very sheltered suburban environment, so i'll give you a tid bit of wisdom. snitches get less jail time, but the time they get is wayyyyyy rougher than a non-rat. so, you'd spend less time with your new boyfriend bubba, but he'd probably slit your throat after you got sodomized in the shower. You suck.</div>

    Yeah you're a real genius, I've never heard "snitches get stitches" before. You're the psycho trying to justify giving someone 25/20/whatever years for "gambling". Wow what a crime.

    How the hell do you know it will be "wayyyyyy rougher"? It might or might not (could be a tad rougher, everything can be virtually the same in jail, etc.), I'd take the risk (depends on how many years in jail I'm facing of course; after a certain point, one's only option is to snitch, see above) and I would feel no pity putting a douchebag/delinquent/etc. in jail with me.

    The people I wouldn't snitch on would be good friends, and such. People that deserve to get off the hook (depends though, if the government is going after me like Donaghy some rules change).

    Also, "snitching" is a very ambiguous term. There are people that snitch on crackheads, and those that help the police catch real criminals. I'd also consider what kind of crime a person has committed before I'd tell the police about it. But in this case, the prosecution backed Donaghy into a corner.
     

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