Warriors: Don't be fooled by adulation

Discussion in 'Golden State Warriors' started by The Legend, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. The Legend

    The Legend Legend of JBB..

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's been about a hundred days since the Warriors finished the 2007 season, which means it's been about 99 since Don Nelson went into R&R mode, Chris Mullin went into roster tweaking mode, Li'l Bobby Rowell went into season-ticket-pimping mode and Chris Cohan went into afterglow mode.

    But now that those 100 days are over, they are in the midst of a ticklish negotiation over Nelson's contract, which is 33 percent completed. The two sides are arguing over the option for 2008-09, namely, whether Nelson should have his money ($5.1 million) for that year guaranteed, or whether it should be a club option.

    Why, it makes you wonder about the source for all those reports last year about a three-year, $15 million deal.

    But that's neither here nor there - or, apparently anywhere at all, given the details of the current spat. A spat, it must be said, which can be settled very easily as soon as Cohan and Rowell do what they want to do, and say, "No deal. We've got it handled here. Thanks for the help. Need your parking validated?"</div>

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  2. Warriorfansnc93

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    So it is not about a bigger $ amount, it is to add the 4th option guaranteed? Well, then! Give the man his $$!!!
     
  3. Montaman

    Montaman JBB JustBBall Member

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    Ray Ratto has zero credibility as far as writing on the Warriors is concerned. In seasons past, he's littered the chronicle with doom and gloom stories about the Warriors, but then when they started their late season run, he disappeared. I don't remember a single article he wrote about the Warriors dominant finish, except for an article praising Chris Cohan for being such a hands off owner. He seems incapable of giving anybody but the wrong people credit. Bruce Jenkins was on KNBR during the Mavs series, and somebody joked about forcing Ray Ratto to cover on of the home games, to which Jenkins replied, "Ray's never happy unless everyone around him is miserable."
     
  4. HiRez

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    <div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ray Ratto has zero credibility as far as writing on the Warriors is concerned. In seasons past, he's littered the chronicle with doom and gloom stories about the Warriors</div>When the team hasn't gone to the playoffs in 8, 10, 12 years (in a league where the majority of teams go to the playoffs), it's not very credible to put it any other way, is it? It's easy to forget that this franchise was the laughing stock of the NBA for over a decade. Nothing they did worked, everything was an utter failure.
     
  5. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I thought the only credible bay area writer was Janny Hu. LOL. Seriously, our franchise was a huge laughing stock and we very well may be again if we don't repeat something similar to last year. Because otherwise, basketball fans will think it was a fluke that the Warriors got in. We could be like the Clippers. Get in one year and fall short. Injuries can't be the excuse. We have to have the talent that fits. Outside of defense and rebounding, I think we do.

    But hey, I was saying all along that we should give Nelson his money. It wouldn't be a big deal if they hadn't pissed away millions on Foyle, Dun, and Murph. We could say Fisher was overpaid, but at least he brought playoff experience to the table and none of the other FA Warriors could have said that.
     
  6. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    <div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But hey, I was saying all along that we should give Nelson his money. It wouldn't be a big deal if they hadn't pissed away millions on Foyle, Dun, and Murph. We could say Fisher was overpaid, but at least he brought playoff experience to the table and none of the other FA Warriors could have said that.</div>

    All those signings are irrelevant to the current financial situation except Foyle, who is still hurting our cap. We're completely free of all the other ones and even so coach/staff salaries aren't a part of the salary cap. IMO the bigger problem is that we're still paying Monty in addition to Nelson, maybe even Muss still? I doubt it but who knows. Thats a lot of salary committed to coaches.
     
  7. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">All those signings are irrelevant to the current financial situation except Foyle, who is still hurting our cap. We're completely free of all the other ones and even so coach/staff salaries aren't a part of the salary cap. IMO the bigger problem is that we're still paying Monty in addition to Nelson, maybe even Muss still? I doubt it but who knows. Thats a lot of salary committed to coaches.</div>

    How are they irrelevant if they still affect payroll and the budget, though? It's still money owed in one form or another regardless of the salary cap which only affects the amount of spending on free agents. Maybe Cohan just doesn't have the cash or doesn't trust that Nelson will actually coach the guaranteed year. Maybe there's something he fears that Nelson will do to get that 5 mil or whatever amount for basically doing nothing.

    BTW good call on the revolving door coaching and how Cohan probably pays for that.
     
  8. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    <div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How are they irrelevant if they still affect payroll and the budget, though? It's still money owed in one form or another regardless of the salary cap which only affects the amount of spending on free agents. Maybe Cohan just doesn't have the cash or doesn't trust that Nelson will actually coach the guaranteed year. Maybe there's something he fears that Nelson will do to get that 5 mil or whatever amount for basically doing nothing.</div>

    Are we talking about the same thing? Murphy, Dunleavy, and Fisher are all gone via trade. The only contract we still have on our books is Foyle, albeit at a reduced price.
     
  9. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Are we talking about the same thing? Murphy, Dunleavy, and Fisher are all gone via trade. The only contract we still have on our books is Foyle, albeit at a reduced price.</div>

    No, I understand what you are saying. I'm saying you're right, but let's say in the trade for Dunleavy and Murphy, we did not want certain players from Indiana, but we had no choice but to swap players for the same amount of salary if we wanted to get rid of Dun/Murphy. For example, Jasikevicius made about $4,000,000 for two years guaranteed. We could argue that's $4 mil each year we didn't need to spend if the contracts for Dun/Murph were negotiated better so we did not need to include Jasikevicus in the trade to make the numbers work (since both teams were over the cap, they needed to trade almost equal salaries). So we could say either of Dun/Murph's contracts still affect us in one form or another, this case Sarunas Jaskivicius. I don't want to pick on just Jasikevicius when it could also be Harrington that gets overpaid.

    BTW, Run, I read over the previous post, if there was a disagreement ended by a compliment, the compliment was not sarcastic! Just so you know, since it's hard to tell over the internet and I change things up very quickly.
     
  10. Montaman

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    <div class="quote_poster">HiRez Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When the team hasn't gone to the playoffs in 8, 10, 12 years (in a league where the majority of teams go to the playoffs), it's not very credible to put it any other way, is it? It's easy to forget that this franchise was the laughing stock of the NBA for over a decade. Nothing they did worked, everything was an utter failure.</div>

    While it is true that there wasn't much positive to say, Ratto's columns routinely devolved into passive agressive romps, antagonizing and mocking Warriors fans for having any hope. Having read his caustic articles on the Warriors in the past, only to find him vanish during the Warriors moments of late season glory (save, as a said, for an article praising CHRIS COHAN, of all people), and now for him to finally come out of basketball hiding to take a shot at Don Nelson... it seems very apparent to me that Ratto has some sort of personal vendetta against either the Warriors organization, or Don Nelson.

    I certainly realize this is hid right, as he is an editorial sportswriter. But it's possible to be an editorialist who can point out failing and foibles in such a way as it's entertaining, fun and aloof (Scott Ostler being a very good example), as opposed to just pissing on people's party for no apparent reason save pessimism or schadenfreude.
     

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