Rumor: Celtics Make Offer For Jasikevicius

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Speaking of Jasikevicius, the Boston Celtics are actively speaking to the Warriors in hopes of landing the seldom used Pg. Boston has offered Glen "Big Baby" Davis and/or Leon Powe but the Warriors have been reluctant thus far. Stay Tuned</div></p>

http://www.warriorsworld.net/news/latest/n...-mp-rumors.html</p>

 

I really don't understand the Warriors' motive in declining this. They have been shopping Jasikevicius for quite some time and are looking to dump his contract. In return, they are getting two power forwards - one that is from the area and one that may develop into a quality role player - on cheap second-round draft pick deals. I'm sure that the reported deal is incorrect, as the Celtics would need to trade away at least 3.1M to make the deal comply with the CBA's TPE and Powe and Davis only make a combined 1.114M this season, so Brian Scalabrine is probably in the deal. If so, then I can understand the Warriors' reluctance.

 

First, as you mentioned, Cabbage makes 4 mils, and combination of Davis and Powe makes 1.2 mils. There must be another contract to match salary, and Warriors already have a full 14 men roster + possible Pietrus. Even if we get 3 players, we will end up waiving two of them. And, will the remaining one be better choice than Cabbage? Probably not. Second, Warriors are trying to dump as much of contract as possible to resign both Biedrins and Monta next season, and both Davis and Powe has more than one year left, while Cabbage only has one year left. Even if we assume that another player only has one year left like House, both Davis and Powe will reduce next year's salary cap. Third, even though Cabbage doesn't fit into our system, he still is a back up PG, and we need back up PG. Fourth, Cabbage is an expiring contract, and if we really want to cash in, we can get a better deal than that...

 

Hehe, sorry to dash your dreams, but yeah. It really doesn't make too much sense for us to trade Cabbage to Boston. Perovic definitely will not be waived, since he received rather big 3 years contract (something like 1+ mil I believe). The thing about Pietrus is that Warriors are really forcing him to sign one year qualify offer. Nobody will give him a full MLE, and if he signs a deal below 3 mils, Warriors may match that signing. That's why the only way for Pietrus to go anywhere is by sign-and-trade. But, Warriors aren't exactly willing to send him, and other teams are not giving up too much for that sign-and-trade deal as well. That's why I think Pietrus will eventually sign that qualify offer and try his luck next year when he becomes UFA. And, Warriors are also suffocating Cabbage as well. For Warriors' stand, there is nothing bad comes out from keeping Cabbage. We need back up PG, and Cabbage as 3rd string PG isn't exactly a bad thing. Besides, he only has one year left, and if we receive a deal that we cannot refuse, Cabbage can be used as a salary bag. If he wants a freedom and go play at Europe, he may have to buy his contract out with substentially low price, like only $500,000 or less out of his original 4 mils. Unless something dramatic happens, I don't think we will change the roster that much...

 

Why would G-State decline this deal. It doesn't make sence...

 

Kwan's post makes a lot of sense and is a good reason to decline the deal.

 

Like Kwan mentions the reasons, I wouldn't do it either. Plus, we're not even certain Leon Powe or Big Baby would work in Nelson's type of offense at power forward. I really don't think Sarunas is that bad as a playmaking combo guard backup and we should hold on to him for his talents and as somebody that comes off the books after this year. The knock against Sarunas is that he's slow, but if the guy got more consistent minutes, I'd think he'd make the big man inside a lot better with his interior passes and he's fairly clutch if given the opportunities.

 

I "negotiated" with a Celt's fan (on Real GM) a couple weeks ago. Here's the deal we'd settled on.....</p>

To Boston----Jazzy Cabbages</p>

to GSW Leon Powe Scalabrine + $3 mill cash</p>

Warriors buy out Scala 's remaining 9.6 mill for $8.1 mill....Boston resigns him t about minimum.. Year one...a wash. we actually save $300,000. Year 2 Powe costs $700,000 + $3.2 mill for Scala's ghost= $3.9 mill,which is cheaper than Reggie Evans. Of that $3.0 mill.....the Celtics cash covers--though we do get the cap hit. Year 3,the buyout deal was front loaded so just $1.2 mill of Scala's deal remains. Powe? We have Bird rights + RFA so he can be back.</p>

Yeah....there's a few cap $,but we trimmed more in the buyout of Foyle,won"t keep Croshere long,have time for tweaking.</p>

S Jax played well at SF....except he rebounded like Mugsy Bogues Harrington rebounded okay...for a SF....pretty poor for a PF-and Biedrins faded a bit late season from getting bulldozed by widebodies with no help</p>

Lasme and Powe mean we got SOME other options aside from getting ouboarded by 15-20 and hoping to compensate by shooting 65% from 3pt. </p>

Powe had a number of games where he got 10+ boards in just 20 min,and he's a decent scorer. While Wright may be a nice transition scorer,he only rasnked about 250th in the NCAA in rebounding----while Lasme was top 20. Basically....If Jax is at SF....I want Powe or Lasme at PF. Harrington+ Wright can play F togather,sort of a matchup twist as both are tweener F's. However---Wright rebounds better than Jax.</p>

We won't get Davis AND Powe for Jazzy. Davis may wind up aceing out Perkins as the main guy at C. Here.....He'd need to shed lbs down to 275 before Nellie even THINKS about using him. He's probably quite effective at 280-290....or 15 lb less than at LSU. I'd think we're damn lucky to convert Jazzy into a USABLE guy.....and Powe,I see as more,a rotation player who saves our tails when the Utah's are throwin elbows. Powe has some nasty </p>

 

Jazzy never managed to have one game where he added anything for us...we'd have got more from Aaron Miles or some undrafted walk-on. Basically...I think we are lucky that there's any market for him.</p>

Us not getting any help in terms of rebounding until Lasme at #46....then shooting our FA wad on Croshere....a 3 shooter,not a banger....worries me....we were outrebounded by 28 in a playoff game....there's a clue,need the OPTION to add some beef. Maybe Nellie unveils Cheesecakes as a new secret weapon,so far he's all secret-no weapon. Foyle and Powell...gone. A GOOD rebounding SG is replaced by a Non- rebounding rookie SG.who we drafted where I ASSUMED we'd take Jason Smith Now,the moves seem to be down to whatever happens to Pietrus who Miami expects will start....and who Riley will find a way to turn into an impact guy....except they lack trade chips. The other "To-Do item is Jazzy...who nobody expects back.</p>

We can settle for some more usable 1 year 3rd string PG....though those are guys we can get for nothing but some TPE and a sixpack. Powe can be a KEEPER</p>

 

There is no way we would trade Cabbage for Powe and Scalabrine and his 3 years contract. I mean... why? Our entire offseason moves have been made in order to create as much of financial flexibility as possible, so that we can resign both Biedrins and Monta while not crossing luxury tax threshold. Barnes is signed for 1 year, we are forcing Pietrus to sign one year qualifying offer, we dumped Richardson and his 12 mils contract despite short term problem, and we bought out Foyle to save 3 mils caproom. So, why do we want to waste that 3 mils on Scalabrine for next 3 years? To get Powe only? I mean, it's not like Powe is a proven commodity in the league. He may or may not be a useful player in the future. But, in his rookie season, he only managed to average 11.5 mins in awful Boston team. If we really really want Powe, we can get him for picks or so. And, getting Scalabrine is same as not waiving Foyle in terms of cap stand. And, you are asking Cohan to fork yet another 8+ mils to buy Scalabrine out. There is no way Powe is worth Cabbage's expiring contract, 3 mils on cap for next years, 8+ mils cash, and lowering the chance of resigning both Biedrins and Monta.</p>

Also, there are definitely a market for Cabbage because of his contract status. Sonics received two first rounders to take K. Thomas and his 1 year 9 mils contract. If we really want to cash in Cabbage's contract, we can nab a first rounder from any team with luxury tax problem. Heck, we can evenaccept 10 mils contract without worring about CBAby using our trade exception. But again, we are saving every penny to resign both Biedrins and Monta.</p>

I understand that we need a toughness in inside. And, I definitely fear our rebounding situation. But, I would definitely not pay that much to get Powe, especially when he didn't prove anything yet. I would rather test my luck on Wright...</p>

 

Retrospectively, this argument is irrelevant in regards to Jasikevicius' buyout, but I just want to address a few points since I forgot about this thread.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kwan1031)</div><div class='quotemain'>First, as you mentioned, Cabbage makes 4 mils, and combination of Davis and Powe makes 1.2 mils. There must be another contract to match salary, and Warriors already have a full 14 men roster + possible Pietrus. Even if we get 3 players, we will end up waiving two of them. And, will the remaining one be better choice than Cabbage? Probably not. Second, Warriors are trying to dump as much of contract as possible to resign both Biedrins and Monta next season, and both Davis and Powe has more than one year left, while Cabbage only has one year left. Even if we assume that another player only has one year left like House, both Davis and Powe will reduce next year's salary cap. Third, even though Cabbage doesn't fit into our system, he still is a back up PG, and we need back up PG. Fourth, Cabbage is an expiring contract, and if we really want to cash in, we can get a better deal than that..</div>Right, I included that in my previous post: "I'm sure that the reported deal is incorrect, as the Celtics would need to trade away at least 3.1M to make the deal comply with the CBA's TPE and Powe and Davis only make a combined 1.114M this season, so Brian Scalabrine is probably in the deal. If so, then I can understand the Warriors' reluctance." Let me add that waiving a minimum contract is of little cost, so if we ignored the CBA for a moment, Powe and Davis for Saras would have been a very good deal for the Warriors, as they are arguably just as productive, younger, less expensive, and have more potential than Saras. With consideration to a deal that complies with the CBA, Scalabrine's contract is very undesirable.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'>Boston also has a trade exception from the Seattle deal for Delonte West worth $<span>1,080,480. I know you can't combine a TE with another player, but they might be able to work out a two part trade to bypass any salary cap restrictions.</div>Outside of Scalabrine plus either Powe, Davis, or both, there was no other reasonable way to do this deal. </span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>OR Boston signs Payton and includes him in a sign & trade. Unlikely scenario, but that would show some creativity on Mullin's part.</div>It is only legal to sign and trade your own players [players that played for the team the previous season]. </p>

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Wow, Celtics seem like they're looking for any sort of depth they can get.

 

Well.....Jazzy is now history. Probably European history since he's of no significance here (so far)</p>

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To appreciate Powe-you need to look at what he did late season getting some minutes. Find a gamelog. If he gets some action he's able to grab 10+ boards.</p>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (REREM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Well.....Jazzy is now history. Probably European history since he's of no significance here (so far)</p>

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To appreciate Powe-you need to look at what he did late season getting some minutes. Find a gamelog. If he gets some action he's able to grab 10+ boards. </p></div>

Your first post without smilies? (is it?)</p>


I love it when I see your posts with all kinds of smilies, so creative. haha ( really I do) </p>