Rookie to Start Over Monta?

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  1. Shapecity

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span id="default"><span id="CCT_Article">

    Part of that joy comes from seeing the Warriors' new roster taking shape. Nelson gave some hints as to what he foresees for Golden State over the next eight months, making it clear that rookie Marco Belinelli -- not Monta Ellis, winner of the NBA's Most Improved Player Award last season -- is the front-runner to take over the starting spot left vacant by the trade of Jason Richardson.</p>

    "The guy's got 'stardom' written all over him," Nelson said of Belinelli. "He's just really good. ... What separates the great players from the not-so-great players are guys who can make plays, along with their ability to score -- and he can do that."</div></p>

    Source: Contra Costa Times</p>

    I remember last season reading comments about Nelson not being a big believer in Monta Ellis. These comments were either meant to push Ellis in preseason, or Nellie is setting up Warrior fans for the day Monta Ellis becomes another guard to be sent out of Oakland.</p>
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    I wish I had league pass because it looks like the Warriors games are going to be fun watch.</p>

    I have no opinion on Belinelli starting, so what would be the starting lineup?</p>

    Baron, Ellis, Bellineli? what about Barnes?</p>
     
  3. Ryan

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    I really hope Nellie is serious. I was really uspet about losing J-Rich not just because I was a J-Rich fan but also I don't believe Monta should be a starting 2 guard in the NBA. He's way too small and is much more effective as a Barbosa of Ben Gordon type off the bench.</p>
     
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    According to the article Ellis would come off the bench. The projected starting lineup would be:</p>

    PG - Baron
    SG - Bellineli
    SF - SJax
    PF - Al
    C - Beans</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    According to the article Ellis would come off the bench. The projected starting lineup would be:</p>

    PG - Baron
    SG - Bellineli
    SF - SJax
    PF - Al
    C - Beans</p>

    </div></p>

    I don't like that at all.</p>

    Ellis proved he is a starter last year and to bench him for Stephen Jackson is horrible.</p>

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  6. Shapecity

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    According to the article Ellis would come off the bench. The projected starting lineup would be:</p>

    PG - Baron
    SG - Bellineli
    SF - SJax
    PF - Al
    C - Beans</p>

    </div></p>

    I don't like that at all.</p>

    Ellis proved he is a starter last year and to bench him for Stephen Jackson is horrible.</p>

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    He'd be benched for <span id="default"><span id="CCT_Article">Marco Belinelli, not Stephen Jackson. I think Ellis is better off the bench because of the reasons listed above. He's undersized and he's more effective when he can get touches on offense and take over as the primary scorer. In the starting lineup you already have 4 other guys who can score the ball.
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    According to the article Ellis would come off the bench. The projected starting lineup would be:</p>

    PG - Baron
    SG - Bellineli
    SF - SJax
    PF - Al
    C - Beans</p>

    </div></p>

    I don't like that at all.</p>

    Ellis proved he is a starter last year and to bench him for Stephen Jackson is horrible.</p>

    </p>

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    Aside, from Baron, Jax was arguably our best player last year. He definately was during the playoffs. He is our 2nd best distributor, probably our most clutch shooter, and best on the ball defender.</p>
     
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    if marco can keep is 3FG% up, i'm definately ok with this...</p>
     
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    Our rebounding would be really bad with that lineup. Sjax + Belinelli + Harrington would account for less than ten rebounds. We also leave the bench with streak shooters and poor ball handlers. I hope Wright or Lasme can show some rebounding and defense in the preseason so we can move SJax to the 2 and Harrington to the 3 with one of those rookies at the 4. </p>

    ElliswouldbeprimarybackupforBaronwithBelinelliandBarnessplittingthe6thmanrole.Ifweneedmoreoffense,putinBelinelli.Ifweneedmorelength and defense,putinBarnes.If we need a composite of the two, we can insert Kelenna.</p>
     
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    i wouldn't be surprised if Nellie went and switched the starting lineup every game. seems that's become popular.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    I&rsquo;ll summarize swiftly, because I was there and how can I be at a Warriors&rsquo; event and NOT blog/summarize/analyze/long-wind-ize?</p>

    The interesting points (to me):</p>

    * Nelson basically put rookie Marco Belinelli into the starting line-up, replacing the traded Jason Richardson.</p>


    Nelson mentioned Kelenna Azubuike and Stephen Jackson (better used as the small forward), but it&rsquo;s clear that his heart, for now, is with the long-ball shooting, gutsy Italian rookie.</p>

    &ldquo;I&rsquo;m assuming Belinelli&rsquo;s really ready to go,&rdquo; Nelson said. &ldquo;The guy&rsquo;s got stardom written all over him.&rdquo;</p>

    I asked Nelson to compare Belinelli&rsquo;s game to any current or former NBA player, and Nelson said there areno real comparisons&ndash;Belinelli&rsquo;s that special, reads screens that well, is that savvy, can play that aggressively.</p>

    (I&rsquo;m thinking an extra-athletic Jeff Hornacek or a weirder Reggie Miller.)</p>

    Nelson said that he and his staff already have offensive sets designed for Belinelli&rsquo;s strengths&ndash;I&rsquo;m assuming that means tricky screens set 28 feet from the hoop.</p>

    Now this could be typical Nellie September exaggeration (remember, he loved Dajuan Wagner last training camp), but I don&rsquo;t think he&rsquo;d be drawing up sets for somebody he didn&rsquo;t genuinely love.</p>

    * Nelson said he doesn&rsquo;t consider Monta Ellis a prime candidate at shooting guard because Ellis is too small&ndash;he has to be a point guard, Nelson said.</p>

    Ellis could probably mix and match with Baron Davis and Belinelli (who might play some point), or when Matt Barnes or SJax play point-forward. But it&rsquo;s pretty clear that, for now, and probably for the rest of the Nellie Era, Ellis isn&rsquo;t going to be the starting two-guard.</p>

    I agree with that decision, by the way. He&rsquo;s too small to go up against the Ginobili-Kobe-Wade set.</p>

    * For now, Nelson&rsquo;s talking up Austin Croshere at power forward. It&rsquo;s probably just to stick an elbow into Al Harrington, but Nelson said that he needs rebounding at that spot and that Croshere has a track record in that area and Harrington does not.</p>

    * Nelson also made a point to pump up second-round pick Stephane Lasme as a rugged, running defender and rebounder. He said he considers Lasme a power forward right now.</p>

    * One name that was not mentioned, by Nellie or the assemblage: Mickael Pietrus.</p>

    * Nelson initially said he thought the Warriors have until July 1 to decide whether to exercise the option for 2008-2009, but upon further questioning (by me, again, I admit), said it&rsquo;s probably June 1.</p>

    July 1 would be very, very disadvanteous to him&ndash;every potential opening could be closed by July 1. If it&rsquo;s June 1&ndash;that&rsquo;s the prime hiring period.</p>

    You know, I&rsquo;d bet it&rsquo;s even earlier than June 1. I wouldn&rsquo;t be surprised if we find out it&rsquo;s somewhere in May.</div></p>

    Source: San Jose Mercury Extra</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    According to the article Ellis would come off the bench. The projected starting lineup would be:</p>

    PG - Baron
    SG - Bellineli
    SF - SJax
    PF - Al
    C - Beans</p>

    </div></p>

    I don't like that at all.</p>

    Ellis proved he is a starter last year and to bench him for Stephen Jackson is horrible.</p>

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    How did Ellis prove he was a starter last season? He had a very good stint of games with Baron Davis out and was able to put up good numbers through the rest of the season mainly because of GS's transition game. Then we saw Monta dissapear in the playoffs. Plenty of athletic and fast young basketball players could put up good numbers in Nelson's system, I need to see Ellis do it one more season before I'm sold.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    According to the article Ellis would come off the bench. The projected starting lineup would be:</p>

    PG - Baron
    SG - Bellineli
    SF - SJax
    PF - Al
    C - Beans</p>

    </div></p>

    I don't like that at all.</p>

    Ellis proved he is a starter last year and to bench him for Stephen Jackson is horrible.</p>

    </p>

    </div></p>

    </p>

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    How did Ellis prove he was a starter last season? He had a very good stint of games with Baron Davis out and was able to put up good numbers through the rest of the season mainly because of GS's transition game. Then we saw Monta dissapear in the playoffs. Plenty of athletic and fast young basketball players could put up good numbers in Nelson's system, I need to see Ellis do it one more season before I'm sold.</p>

    </div></p>

    It wasn't just a stint he did it for a good part of the season, good enough to win MIP in a tough year.</p>

    A lot of young players dissaper in the playoffs you shouldn't hold that against him.</p>

    Ellis will be an all-star caliber player soon, he averaged 47% shooting without much of a jumpshot. I always see this "Nelly Ball" as an excuse for players having good numbers but the player has to produce as well. Ellis and Biendris had more to do with GS making the playoffs than any other player, including Baron Davis.</p>
     
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    I look at it this way. Until Monta Ellis develops his point guard instincts, he's got no true position because he's too small for shooting guard and he's not Allen Iverson enough to be affective in the playoffs or when he's being guarded outside. Plus, he needs to work on his distance shooting and some other aspects of his game. But luckily for us, he's further along than most guys his age and that's the truth. He's quite advanced.</p>

    Marco Belinelli to me is a good prospect. He's got good size, but he's a little bit light though and he appears kind of soft to me. But he should operate well playing off the ball, in the open floor, and acting as a secondary point guard next to Baron. Plus, he'll play the passing lanes for steals and get terrific finishes. Again, it's really a battle between who has the most weapons as a guard and who can be the most consistent. I think Ellis is pretty consistent regular season, but boy did he disappear in the playoffs. Maybe with Marco that won't happen as much... who knows? Ellis could always get better in his second year playoff appearance so long as we get there to give him his chance.</p>

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    * For now, Nelson&rsquo;s talking up Austin Croshere at power forward. It&rsquo;s probably just to stick an elbow into Al Harrington, but Nelson said that he needs rebounding at that spot and that Croshere has a track record in that area and Harrington does not.</p>

    * Nelson also made a point to pump up second-round pick Stephane Lasme as a rugged, running defender and rebounder. He said he considers Lasme a power forward right now.</div></p>

    Source: San Jose Mercury Extra</p>

    </div></p>

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    this is the part that i thought was most...interesting in this article.</p>

    i thought it seemed strange that you, shape, put in Al at the starting PF, because IIRC, it seemed Al ended up in Nellie's dog house for the most part, and in the playoffs he didn't play that many minutes (at least in the first round).</p>

    I figured he wouldn't start, so seeing this in the article doesn't surprise me much...except for the fact that i expected Barnes to start ahead of Croshere.</p>

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  16. o.iatlhawksfan

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    So whats gonna be Brandon Wrights role...you traded a starter just to get him..</p>

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    and will Patrick O'Bryant be used more???</p>
     
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    Primary reason for Richardson trade was to dump Richardson's contract, not because of Wright. Some salary moves had to be made in order to resign both Biedrins and Monta (or dump either one of them). Since, Warriors could get rid of Richardson's salary + 8th pick, Warriors decided to make that trade.</p>

    For the article, I really won't put much meaning at this point, because training camp didn't even start yet. We have no clue how rookies will play, and I don't think Nelson have a clear idea either...</p>
     
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    While I think alot of Marco's numbers from summer league were padded from the amount of PT he got , nearly playing entire games, he looked every bit an NBA veteran and did nothing he wouldn't be doing in the Warriors offense. Sure he will have his difficulties on the defensive end but he's no revolving door either. If this was a kid rigt out of college that would be one thing but Marco has alot of experience against tough competetion in Europe and his game is tailor made or the fast break, coming off screens, as well as awaiting a kickout from Baron. I agree Monta isn't a 2 against most teams in the NBA and Belineli has the size and such a sweet effortless stroke i'm sure Nellie will make it work perfectly as he maximizes strengths and minimizes weaknesses of players like none other. I think it's a good move but we might need to wait for Jackson back and playing alongside him before we all see what Don is envisioning.</p>
     
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    I think Monta is better suited coming off the bench for now. Obviously, the main reason Nelly has marco starting is because of his hot 3pt shooting in the SL. Marco could be a huge threat in that offense if he can connect on 40% or more of his threes.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    While I think alot of Marco's numbers from summer league were padded from the amount of PT he got , nearly playing entire games, he looked every bit an NBA veteran and did nothing he wouldn't be doing in the Warriors offense. Sure he will have his difficulties on the defensive end but he's no revolving door either. If this was a kid rigt out of college that would be one thing but Marco has alot of experience against tough competetion in Europe and his game is tailor made or the fast break, coming off screens, as well as awaiting a kickout from Baron. I agree Monta isn't a 2 against most teams in the NBA and Belineli has the size and such a sweet effortless stroke i'm sure Nellie will make it work perfectly as he maximizes strengths and minimizes weaknesses of players like none other. I think it's a good move but we might need to wait for Jackson back and playing alongside him before we all see what Don is envisioning.</p>

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    Belinelli didn't play more than 30 mins often. LOL</p>
     

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