OK, so Brad Johnson has proven that he is not the steady force everyone was claiming him to be at the beginning of the season. He three 3 picks in 4 passes - that's unbelievable. Granted, one of those picks was Jeff Dugan's fault (how do you not catch a pass that hits you square in the chest?). So who do the Vikings start at QB next week? Bollinger would start, but it looks like he's pretty much done with a shoulder injury. Jackson said that he didn't feel ready to take on the starting role, but I don't think anyone wants to see more ineptitude by Johnson next week. I might actually be in favor of starting Jackson even thought I am adamant against starting rookie QBs - especially one as raw as Jackson. But if the coaching staff dumbs down the system and tells him not to worry about throwing pics and just to learn how the NFL works, then I'd be for having him start the game. Do you start a rookie QB when it is pretty obvious your season is done?
And the wind whispersssssss, "Jefffffffff Ggggggggeorge!!!" (I know the Vikings have to have his number in their roledex.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Granted, one of those picks was Jeff Dugan's fault (how do you not catch a pass that hits you square in the chest?).</div> That was quite a ricochet!!!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Do you start a rookie QB when it is pretty obvious your season is done?</div> Are you conceding the season? Granted, the offense didn't look too stellar, but even at 5-7, they still have a fair shot, especially with their schedule. 8-8 might be a longshot to get in, but its possibly given that there are a lot of NFC playoff contenders that have to play each other yet. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>And the wind whispersssssss, "Jefffffffff Ggggggggeorge!!!" (I know the Vikings have to have his number in their roledex.)</div> Reminds me of the movie Major League. "Wish we had him three years ago." "We did" "Five years then" Edit: I guess I didn't answer the question. Bollinger would have been a possibility without the injury, but now I would stay with Johnson until the season is done and try to get the rookie some playing time after that.
I conceded the season before it started - that's why I didn't even bother with the NFC North bet. Some may call me a bad fan for that, but in all honesty, my hope is that the team uses this as a building year. I really do see some great potential with this team. Cedric Griffen has emerged as a spectacular corner in his rookie year (he caused the fumble on the opening kickoff). I think Greg Blue is showing great potential to take over at safety alongside Tank Williams next year (assuming Darren Sharper is no longer with us). On the offense, Ryan Cook is looking good (minus the penalties). The guy is a beast and plays with some attitude. If the offensive line can get some continuity I think we could have a fantastic running game next year. Heck, we put up 190+ on the Bears - and it should have been more if Brad Johnson wasn't handing off the ball to the defense all game long. The three backs, Chester Taylor, Faison, and Moore all are finding good roles. To be honest, if the Vikings do something big in free agency to acquire a stud linebacker (Briggs?) and work some magic for a quality receiver (Randy Moss's name has been floating around as a possibility), then I would say we are just a QB away from having a very good football team. I also think Paul Ferraro (special teams coach) as well as our two offensive line coaches should be let go. So am I conceding? For this year - yes. But I never really hoped for this year, I'm hoping that we can setup something of a consistently competitive team. .
Interesting idea that I heard floated out there in the stratosphere - why not pick up Jake Plummer in the offseason? Denver doesn't want him, but he would be a good 1 year stopgap for the Vikings. He's not the best QB out there, but he'd be playing behind a great run offense and with a very good defense. Give him a legit receiver rather than what we have and he might be able to make something happen. Also, our offensive line can run block but is still very weak in pass blocking, so having a mobile QB like Plummer who throws well on the run would be a benefit to our system. Thoughts?
Yeah if Johnson was playing solid id say keep him in but since he's not it may be a good idea to put in TJ. you think Sharper will be gone next year? If so I wonder if the Packers would bring him back, We need a damn safety! the dude talks alot of smack but makes alot of plays. he probably isnt to good of a fit in that Cover 2 Defense the Vikes run. I am also very impressed with Greg Blue his Coverage abillities are much better than I once thought. The vikes could have a VERY scary young Secondary in the next couple of years.
The Vikes need to sign DREW OLSON..This guy is a baller......I think he's like a third stringer on the Ravens but just sign him....The Vikes defense has been doing too good to let the Vikes offense be it's biggest obstacle every week,.
I didn't catch much of the game today but what I heard Tavarius Jackson was impressive. Wonder if he'll start Thursday. The Vikes got nothing to lose but starting in Lambeau will be different then coming in as a backup.
Plummer still has 4 good season left in him or more not sure how old he is.. but he can get it done.. he only seems to struggle with pressure of losing his Job.. Jake was Good last year and they draft Cutler.. so jake struggled.. i think Jake could be very good in the Minnesota offense if you guys could get a legit #1 reciver.. what about bringing moss back?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>VF, do you miss Daunte?</div> Daunte Sucks.. Moss made Culpepper.. moss leaves Culpepper struggled and struggled.. He had what maybe a handful of good games without moss??? Of course alot of this could be the recivers themselves.. Look at the fall of Brad Johnson
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>And the wind whispersssssss, "Jefffffffff Ggggggggeorge!!!" (I know the Vikings have to have his number in their roledex.)</div> All of the NFC North teams except the Green Bay Packers have shown interest in Mr. George. I don't think that he's comming back. If I was Brad Childress, I would start Jackson for the last two games, because lets face it there is no way in hell we're making the playoffs. Finish the season, 6-10, make one hell of a deal for Matt Schaub, than drop Brad Johnson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>VF, do you miss Daunte?</div> Daunte Sucks.. Moss made Culpepper.. moss leaves Culpepper struggled and struggled.. He had what maybe a handful of good games without moss??? Of course alot of this could be the recivers themselves.. Look at the fall of Brad Johnson</div> Yes, I do miss Culpepper. Anyone who thinks he was good only because of Moss doesn't understand football. If anything, Culpepper suffered because he lost Linehan as his offensive coordinator. A receiver doesn't make a QB. Culepper threw 39 TD's in one season - they were not all to Moss (not even half of them were to Moss). I was not in favor of trading him. I thought he should have been given the opportunity to recover how he wanted to recover and should not have been rushed back. You don't give up on a QB who obviously has the ability to put up serious TD #'s.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ranman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>And the wind whispersssssss, "Jefffffffff Ggggggggeorge!!!" (I know the Vikings have to have his number in their roledex.)</div> All of the NFC North teams except the Green Bay Packers have shown interest in Mr. George. I don't think that he's comming back. If I was Brad Childress, I would start Jackson for the last two games, because lets face it there is no way in hell we're making the playoffs. Finish the season, 6-10, make one hell of a deal for Matt Schaub, than drop Brad Johnson.</div> Jackson should start the rest of the season. Give him a vanilla offense, give him a chance to see some defenses and try to manage a real game. See how fast he adjusts. Johnson makes one of the leagues best backup QBs. He can teach a young QB a lot of things and is a great team player. I say keep him as your #2 QB and give Jackson the start next year (assuming he's good enough).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>VF, do you miss Daunte?</div> Daunte Sucks.. Moss made Culpepper.. moss leaves Culpepper struggled and struggled.. He had what maybe a handful of good games without moss??? Of course alot of this could be the recivers themselves.. Look at the fall of Brad Johnson</div> WR's dont make QB's. QBs pick WR to throw to. They just catch the ball. They dont tell QBs exactly what move to do.
Culpepper's biggest problem wasn't losing Randy Moss. It was getting hurt... He only started 7 games the year after he lost Moss and only 4 games for the 'Fins this year. The question of how well Daunte will do without Moss has yet to be answered. He hasn't had the chance.
I just saw that. This should be interesting. I do feel bad for the Pack - its hard to plan against a QB that you've never seen before, but then again, you may not need to plan if he's bad enough. So far he looks like he'll be the real deal, but you can't tell that from a quarter and a half of NFL play. This is going to be his first real test where we get to see if he can be the QB of the future. Here's to hoping that GB fans dread Jackson for years to come!
I think that Woodson and Harris will be playing with a bit of a chip on their shoulder's after both being snubbed from the pro bowl. Both have been having a probowl year and neither made it in. And I think they're probally licking their chops going up against a rookie qb in his 1st start.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>VF, do you miss Daunte?</div> Daunte Sucks.. Moss made Culpepper.. moss leaves Culpepper struggled and struggled.. He had what maybe a handful of good games without moss??? Of course alot of this could be the recivers themselves.. Look at the fall of Brad Johnson</div> Yes, I do miss Culpepper. Anyone who thinks he was good only because of Moss doesn't understand football. If anything, Culpepper suffered because he lost Linehan as his offensive coordinator. A receiver doesn't make a QB. Culepper threw 39 TD's in one season - they were not all to Moss (not even half of them were to Moss). I was not in favor of trading him. I thought he should have been given the opportunity to recover how he wanted to recover and should not have been rushed back. You don't give up on a QB who obviously has the ability to put up serious TD #'s.</div> Ok now i ask Do you watch the games??? r read about them??? Culpepper was traded because of his and Childresses differences.. nothing more nothing less.. Does anyone really belive That Brad Johnson was so Great to dethrown Culpepper??? Moss didn't have to catch all the TD's... Defenses Had to Game plan agianst Moss week in week out.. means Double coverage.. what does double coverage mean??? thats right someone else is open somewhere so all he has to do is make the smart play.. Take Moss out of the equasion what do you get?? man on man.. No double covers means less options.. Moss didn't have to catch all the TD's his presence alone back then was more then plenty to take the heat off culpepper.. and it never hurt to have the 1 reciver who could out jump all CB's In the entire league so all he had to do is heave it.. doesn't matter where cause Moss used to go get the ball.. Take it all away and you have what is now culpepper
