Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson?

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  1. BrewCityBuck

    BrewCityBuck The guy with 17,000 Posts.

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    Which player would you rather have</p>

    Both are the most unique player at their positon in the NFL. Nobody has Calvin Johnson's size, even though he's not super fast, there's been nobody faster in the NFLat 6'4" 235. Adrian Peterson has the best blend of size (6'2" 220) and speed/power i've ever seen at RB.</p>

    I know it's kind of hard to judge because Calvin Johnson's been injured the past few weeks. But this should be an interesting debate.</p>

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  2. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    How can you say Calvin isn't super fast when he ran a 4.35?</p>
     
  3. BrewCityBuck

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    How can you say Calvin isn't super fast when he ran a 4.35?</p>

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    He has a great 40 time, no doubt, but he doesn't have elite quickness/explosiveness. He's just very, very good. All you have to do is watch Johnson play, he doesn't play as fast or have that burst like Steve Smith or Chad Johnson have, he's not in that class. Nobody at 6'4" 235 can be like that. I guess you can call him superfast, he's just not in that class in the NFL where he's one of the top 10 fastest players.</p>

    To me, Calvin Johnson is like a perfected Terrell Owens.</p>
     
  4. ghoti

    ghoti A PhD in Horribleness

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    Calvin Johnson.</p>

    It's not even close.</p>

    He's a once in a generation talent.</p>
     
  5. BrewCityBuck

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Calvin Johnson.</p>

    It's not even close.</p>

    He's a once in a generation talent.</p>

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    Care to explain why you think you'd rather have him. Adrian Peterson in my opinion has just as much talent/chance to be a special player. Just like in Johnson's case, Peterson has very unique physical skills that almost no other player at their position has.</p>
     
  6. Dissonance19

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    I'd take either of them. Both are gonna be special.

    Peterson might end up being the once in a generation talent though. He is ridiculous with that size, speed and vision. We might look back thinking how did 6 teams pass over him. Especially the Bucs, knowing Caddy hadn't done much since his rookie yr and had been hurt a lot. I thought that before the draft, too.</p>
     
  7. Geaux Tigers

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    Im taking Adrian Peterson without hesitation. It takes a lot more for a WR to impact a game than a RB. If you dont have a QB that has the arm or the vision to get him the ball he's moot. Peterson is a complete freak with his size, strength and speed. His running style lends to injury, but I think the conditioning program of the NFL will help out with that a lot. I usually favor WR's but I've been following (and loving) Adrian since his senior year in HS. He did more injured at a top tier school in Oklahoma than most RB's do healthy anyplace else.</p>
     
  8. ghoti

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Calvin Johnson.</p>

    It's not even close.</p>

    He's a once in a generation talent.</p>

    </div></p>

    Care to explain why you think you'd rather have him. Adrian Peterson in my opinion has just as much talent/chance to be a special player. Just like in Johnson's case, Peterson has very unique physical skills that almost no other player at their position has.</p>

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    First of all, Peterson's athletic ability is not as unique as Johnson's. He is a very talented back, but there are several RBs who posess those skills. Even if he turns out to be like the back he's most compared to - Eric Dickerson - he'd still be one of many great backs.</p>

    Second, even the most indestructable RBs have a shelf life. It wouldn't take much for him to go from explosive athlete to above average. His high running style and 215 pound frame are a bit scary in terms of his long-term effectiveness.</p>

    Even if these two are equal athletically, which I don't think is the case, the wide receiver is more valuable in today's NFL.</p>

    The best teams are built around a dominant WR. There's no limit to what teams will put up with to make this player happy because they know how difficult it is to find one.</p>

    And, finally, there is no one - no one - who has ever had the raw physical ability combined with actual football-specific skill to play WR in the NFL. I believe he entered the NFL as the best WR in the league.</p>

    To me, he is an absolutely irreplaceable player. No matter who you trade him for, you can't get back equal value.</p>

    I'm not sure there's any other NFL player you can say that about.</p>

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  9. #1_War_Poet_ForLife

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Calvin Johnson.</p>

    It's not even close.</p>

    He's a once in a generation talent.</p>

    </div></p>

    Care to explain why you think you'd rather have him. Adrian Peterson in my opinion has just as much talent/chance to be a special player. Just like in Johnson's case, Peterson has very unique physical skills that almost no other player at their position has.</p>

    </div></p>

    First of all, Peterson's athletic ability is not as unique as Johnson's. He is a very talented back, but there are several RBs who posess those skills. Even if he turns out to be like the back he's most compared to - Eric Dickerson - he'd still be one of many great backs.</p>

    Second, even the most indestructable RBs have a shelf life. It wouldn't take much for him to go from explosive athlete to above average. His high running style and 215 pound frame are a bit scary in terms of his long-term effectiveness.</p>

    Even if these two are equal athletically, which I don't think is the case, the wide receiver is more valuable in today's NFL.</p>

    The best teams are built around a dominant WR. There's no limit to what teams will put up with to make this player happy because they know how difficult it is to find one.</p>

    And, finally, there is no one - no one - who has ever had the raw physical ability combined with actual football-specific skill to play WR in the NFL. I believe he entered the NFL as the best WR in the league.</p>

    To me, he is an absolutely irreplaceable player. No matter who you trade him for, you can't get back equal value.</p>

    I'm not sure there's any other NFL player you can say that about.</p>

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    Just doing this to be a douche: Peyton or Tom?</p>

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  10. ghoti

    ghoti A PhD in Horribleness

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    [quote name='mynetsforlife']</p>

    [quote name='ghoti']</p>

    [quote name='BrewCityBuck']</p>

    [quote name='ghoti']</p>

    Calvin Johnson.</p>

    It's not even close.</p>

    He's a once in a generation talent.</p>

    [/QUOTE]</p>

    Care to explain why you think you'd rather have him. Adrian Peterson in my opinion has just as much talent/chance to be a special player. Just like in Johnson's case, Peterson has very unique physical skills that almost no other player at their position has.</p>

    [/QUOTE]</p>

    First of all, Peterson's athletic ability is not as unique as Johnson's. He is a very talented back, but there are several RBs who posess those skills. Even if he turns out to be like the back he's most compared to - Eric Dickerson - he'd still be one of many great backs.</p>

    Second, even the most indestructable RBs have a shelf life. It wouldn't take much for him to go from explosive athlete to above average. His high running style and 215 pound frame are a bit scary in terms of his long-term effectiveness.</p>

    Even if these two are equal athletically, which I don't think is the case, the wide receiver is more valuable in today's NFL.</p>

    The best teams are built around a dominant WR. There's no limit to what teams will put up with to make this player happy because they know how difficult it is to find one.</p>

    And, finally, there is no one - no one - who has ever had the raw physical ability combined with actual football-specific skill to play WR in the NFL. I believe he entered the NFL as the best WR in the league.</p>

    To me, he is an absolutely irreplaceable player. No matter who you trade him for, you can't get back equal value.</p>

    I'm not sure there's any other NFL player you can say that about.</p>

    </p>

    [/QUOTE]</p>

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    Just doing this to be a douche: Peyton or Tom?</p>

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    [/QUOTE]</p>

    Well, that's my point!</p>

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  11. Charles

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    As Ghoti already mentioned, running backs don't have the shelf life that wide receivers have. Combine that with the fact that Peterson has already had injury problems, and you have to take Johnson. Although I think Peterson is going to be a great player.</p>
     
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    This is a tough comparison to make, in my opinion. Both of these guys are both freakish athletes for their different positions. Calvin Johnson has the best all around mix of height, strength, and quickness that I've seen since T.O. entered his prime. Adrian Peterson also has an amazing mix of power, speed, toughness, and athleticism and creativity. I think he's the best back to enter the league since LT. He does everyone very well that you want out of your running back. It's really tough to tell at this point in time. I'd rather have Adrian Peterson on my team because I value a HOF potential running back higher than a HOF level WR. How many great WR's are their in this league? I could probably name 10-15 top tier guys at this point. But if I had the chance to have someone like Peterson....someone that is amazingly rare and valuable...I just couldn't turn that opportunity down...Having an amazing running back pretty much guarentees you a great offense.</p>

    You can't really build an offense around a WR like you can w/ a RB. Moss in Oakland is a good example of the fact that if you have a great WR but a crummy QB, it's not much use to you...</p>
     
  13. BrewCityBuck

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar)</div><div class='quotemain'>I just couldn't turn that opportunity down...Having an amazing running back pretty much guarentees you a great offense.</div></p>

    Having a great RB doesn't pretty much guarentee a great offense. You have to have a good offensive line and a balenced offense around the RB to be a very good offense. An offense needs balence and good players at different positions to be effective. Just because you have a great MLB doesn't mean you have a great defense. To be a great defense you need a good defensive line so the MLB can be effective, and you need good DB's...etc..Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson and Steven Jackson are good examples this season. All of them are great runningbacks, but this season their offenses have been unbalenced and their production has been cut.</p>
     
  14. huevonkiller

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    Why is this question being asked?</p>

    It doesn't matter if Adrian Peterson was a nobody in college and went undrafted, the way he has played up to now proves he can make it in the NFL and excel. They're both still somewhat unproven, but CJ to a much greater extent of course.</p>
     
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    I'd have to go with Calvin. I was one of those Raider fans who wanted Oakland to pick him instead of Jamarcus so I'd be a hypocrite to not take Calvin on this one.</p>

    Besides we have Rhodes and Michael Bush coming up next year. RB's we got.</p>
     
  16. cpawfan

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    Who is the better blocker?</p>

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    Peterson isn't a good enough blocker that I would trust him to pick up blitzes.</p>
     
  17. MKIV_Supra

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    So many answers but the question doesn't specify enough. Fantasy wise, I would pick Adrian Peterson for scoring reasons. If I were to add onto my existing team, Calvin Johnson since McGahee had been traded for. If it was for a whole new franchise from nothing, Adrian Peterson also because of the fact that you need a stud RB to start somewhere other than a WR with no QB to throw to.</p>
     
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    I think everyone knows who I would pick [​IMG]-</p>
     
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    A good running back still needs a good offensive line to excel to his full potential. AP is amazing and quite possibly the best rookie running back of all time (still early) but a receiver the caliber of Johnson has never come across like this before. We've never had a receiver with the combination of size, speed, and route running that Johnson has. Oh and he has a great attitude which seems to be hard to find on most receivers. He just needs the Quarterback to get the ball in his vicinity and he's making a play. Johnson is bigger and has just as much break away speed. I actually think Johnson ran a 4.35 and AP a 4.38 at the combine. I'll take both but if you force me to choose one then it's Johnson for me because of potential and all of the above.</p>
     
  20. MysteryMan

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ed the Decider)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    I think everyone knows who I would pick [​IMG]-</p>

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    Adrian Peterson of course!</p>

    I'd rather have AP on the Giants right now but if Burress were to get injured i would love to have Jophnson therte.</p>

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