For a 4th rounder I think. I feel sorry for JaMarcus though. I was looking forward to seeing him pass to Moss. Oh well
Good! I didnt want Moss on the Raiders. Russel would of been yelled at! Go Moss go! Tear down the Patriots! >=)
This is annoying to me. When Ted Thompson traded down in the 2nd round and got an extra third round pick, I was convinced it would go to the Raiders for Moss. My mistake... Total clown shoes on the part of Ted Thompson. Moss should be wearing Green and Gold righ now...
Ted is a dumbass...he pisses me off. This draft turned from bad to worse. Cant wait to see if these players are even good.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>This is annoying to me. When Ted Thompson traded down in the 2nd round and got an extra third round pick, I was convinced it would go to the Raiders for Moss. My mistake... Total clown shoes on the part of Ted Thompson. Moss should be wearing Green and Gold righ now...</div> I guess Moss would only restructure for New England. If so then it's really hard to trade for a guy who is due over 10 million dollars this season and next season regardless of our cap numbers. I think this has to do more so with Randy Moss wanting to play for New England rather than Ted Thompson screwing up.
I'm glad that he is no longer a Raider. It was a tough pill to swallow when we traded for him. This is a forced vomit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>Good! I didnt want Moss on the Raiders. Russel would of been yelled at! Go Moss go! Tear down the Patriots! >=)</div> I love it when people blatantly show their jealousy. Good for you, that made my day.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats_Fan420)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>Good! I didnt want Moss on the Raiders. Russel would of been yelled at! Go Moss go! Tear down the Patriots! >=)</div> I love it when people blatantly show their jealousy. Good for you, that made my day.</div> Patriots fans should be ecstatic. I'm telling you right now, Moss will be more like the Vikings Moss than the Raiders Moss. Moss has routinely been a motivation guy. If he's motivated and thinks there is a chance to win, he'll be the star receiver that we are used to seeing. If he's in a bad situation (Oakland), then he's worthless. Sure, that makes him less of a football player, but he is what he is. With Brady throwing to Moss, I guarantee that Moss will have 15+ TDs this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Patriots fans should be ecstatic. I'm telling you right now, Moss will be more like the Vikings Moss than the Raiders Moss. Moss has routinely been a motivation guy. If he's motivated and thinks there is a chance to win, he'll be the star receiver that we are used to seeing. If he's in a bad situation (Oakland), then he's worthless. Sure, that makes him less of a football player, but he is what he is. With Brady throwing to Moss, I guarantee that Moss will have 15+ TDs this year.</div> Moss will never again be like the Vikings Moss. A WR entering his -9th- season in the NFL, Moss has noticeably lost a step physically. Moss's game has always revolved around his physical ability - tall, fast, and outjumps people, and gets separation. The Moss way-back-then got a lot more separation from the line of scrimage, and was not being called for pushing off (like he is now, which I have seen negate multiple touchdowns in his 2 years in Oakland). This tells me he is trying to make up for what he lacks in footspeed with a bit more of his hands, and the officials are on to him. 9 years later, his attitude hasn't improved, and he is every bit the overgrown child that he was in college (all of them). Other than the young wide receivers, the rest of his team will soon find out just how disruptive he is, by simply being himself. He doesn't have to say or do anything for this to happen. By doing nothing, that is exactly what they will grow to hate, as they work their asses off every play for a much lower salary. Red McCombs realized that he was too cancerous to keep, despite weighing in his best performances against this. Al Davis took a chance with him, and got one satisfactory season from him before Randy showed us once again what he's all about. I'm thinking that New England got exactly what they paid for in this trade with Oakland. Also, New England really doesn't need Moss in my opinion. They have enough talent between Brady and whoever he throws to to get their job done in the passing game. What category is New England looking to improve? Oakland can now rebuild their young team without the lazy bastard, and still have plenty of talent sitting at the WR position with J Porter and the multi-talented R Curry. One would think that it would be Porter who would have requested a trade out of Oakland, not Moss. It was Porter who had gotten the dog house last season, but had the maturity to make amends with the new staff.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats_Fan420)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>Good! I didnt want Moss on the Raiders. Russel would of been yelled at! Go Moss go! Tear down the Patriots! >=)</div> I love it when people blatantly show their jealousy. Good for you, that made my day.</div> Patriots fans should be ecstatic. I'm telling you right now, Moss will be more like the Vikings Moss than the Raiders Moss. Moss has routinely been a motivation guy. If he's motivated and thinks there is a chance to win, he'll be the star receiver that we are used to seeing. If he's in a bad situation (Oakland), then he's worthless. Sure, that makes him less of a football player, but he is what he is. With Brady throwing to Moss, I guarantee that Moss will have 15+ TDs this year.</div> My only concern with Moss is that New England does not focus in on one player. There is no Randy Ratio in New England and that could upset Moss as he won't see as many passes because Brady will get the ball to the open guy whether it's Randy Moss or Wes Walker. Brady spreads the ball around and uses all his receivers. So while I agree Moss is certainly going to put up big numbers, I don't agree than he'll put up Randy of the old numbers. I think he'll put up 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns or so which is still amazing but not what your saying. For a 4th round pick New England certainly got a good deal and I honestly think ON PAPER they are unbeatable if they stay healthy. Not saying they go 16-0 but I haven't seen a team this talented in a long time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>My only concern with Moss is that New England does not focus in on one player. There is no Randy Ratio in New England and that could upset Moss as he won't see as many passes because Brady will get the ball to the open guy whether it's Randy Moss or Wes Walker. Brady spreads the ball around and uses all his receivers. So while I agree Moss is certainly going to put up big numbers, I don't agree than he'll put up Randy of the old numbers. I think he'll put up 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns or so which is still amazing but not what your saying. For a 4th round pick New England certainly got a good deal and I honestly think ON PAPER they are unbeatable if they stay healthy. Not saying they go 16-0 but I haven't seen a team this talented in a long time.</div> Exactly, the Randy ratio is gone, and he will surely become "bored" with inactivity halfway through the season. The ball is in Randy's court. This whole thing is going to revolve around the *hope* that Belichik has that Randy will become a changed man. No one can behave like Randy did last season and remain employed by an NFL team, he *must* change. It doesn't matter how much talent that you either have or are perceived to have. The Eagles sacrificed all of TO's talent in favor of team satisfaction, the Raiders did the same this year with Moss. Hopefully, the pats will get something decent in exchange for Randy next year at draft time.
Didn't the Pats give him a workout before the trade? Yes he did. And he ran a 4.29 40 in front of Belichick. Doesn't seem like he lost a step.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't the Pats give him a workout before the trade? Yes he did. And he ran a 4.29 40 in front of Belichick. Doesn't seem like he lost a step.</div> I had no idea they clocked him again. I stand corrected. Even in his 1000 yard season with the Raiders, he didn't seem to be getting the type of separation that he enjoyed while in Minnesota. I had attributed that to a slower Randy, since they haven't changed the way they cover against him since his rookie season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't the Pats give him a workout before the trade? Yes he did. And he ran a 4.29 40 in front of Belichick. Doesn't seem like he lost a step.</div> Randy hasn't lost a Step at all.. Randy has a problem with motivation.. the raiders were horrible.. and Moss didn't give you 100% at all.. Should he have?? yea i think he should have.. but Moss wanted out of oakland what a better way to get out of there then to be lazy and not give a shit.. If he would have given the raiders everything he had.. he would still be in oakland today!! Randy wants to be on a winning franchise.. maybe a situation where he isn't the focal point.. Every Team Randy has been on Has asked him to basically carry the load... Here in NE Brady has many weapons and gets it done with no name people.. Moss will Leave his Mark in NE but no longer has to be the focal point.. I say Congrats to NE randy has atleast 4 more Years in him and will be a very good weapon to Brady.. Moss will Give you 100% but only if he is happy with the situation
Whether Moss is losing a step or not (and I don't think that he is yet), NE could not have drafted a player of his calibur in the 4th round. Overall I would say the risk vs. reward was a great move by the Pats. If Randy slacks off, they can get rid of him later.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Randy hasn't lost a Step at all.. Randy has a problem with motivation.. the raiders were horrible.. and Moss didn't give you 100% at all.. Should he have?? yea i think he should have.. but Moss wanted out of oakland what a better way to get out of there then to be lazy and not give a shit.. If he would have given the raiders everything he had.. he would still be in oakland today!! Randy wants to be on a winning franchise.. maybe a situation where he isn't the focal point.. Every Team Randy has been on Has asked him to basically carry the load... Here in NE Brady has many weapons and gets it done with no name people.. Moss will Leave his Mark in NE but no longer has to be the focal point.. I say Congrats to NE randy has atleast 4 more Years in him and will be a very good weapon to Brady.. Moss will Give you 100% but only if he is happy with the situation</div> He played for Norv Turner, he didn't play for Art Shell. He commanded a huge salary, then basically stole money from the Raiders by just going through the motions and letting the ball bounce off his chest in his 2nd season with the team. Did Randy make a rational, intelligent decision to stubbornly drop possession catches? I would have had perhaps a shred of respect for the guy if he had just walked into Art Shell's office, told him what is going on, and made it possible for a trade *last year* at the first sign of apathy. (Rather than give hints here and there through the media personell). Weapons have been know to backfire. New England is one of the better franchises in the league, its a shame that they will have to deal with his character. Something tells me that the Pats won't put up with him for very long. If the Pats can't get another trophy with this guy, then his legacy of being a shameless quitter will forever eclipse all of his previous accomplishments.
Keep in mind that he's been playing with a nagging ankle injury that he doesn't talk about (yeah, he's a horrible player who doesn't give any effort ). That's a big reason he 'lost a step' the past few years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Keep in mind that he's been playing with a nagging ankle injury that he doesn't talk about (yeah, he's a horrible player who doesn't give any effort ). That's a big reason he 'lost a step' the past few years.</div> Fair enough, but why should anyone think that ankle will get better just because he's in New England?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Keep in mind that he's been playing with a nagging ankle injury that he doesn't talk about (yeah, he's a horrible player who doesn't give any effort ). That's a big reason he 'lost a step' the past few years.</div> Fair enough, but why should anyone think that ankle will get better just because he's in New England?</div> Aren't snowplows about ankle high? Sorry! Could not resist!