Lets face facts

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  1. downunderwonder

    downunderwonder You have now entered area 51!

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    Belarus... right on the money mate.... it is early but the signs of a looooong season are there...</p>
     
  2. Teaneck_Armory_Guy

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    The hopes for the Nets for this year were premised on a couple of things:</p>

    (1) Marcus would improve.</p>

    (2) Boki would continue to play well.</p>

    (3) Krstic would return to pre-injury form.</p>

    (4) Wright would develop into somewhat of a scoring threat.</p>

    (5) RJ would return to pre-injury form.</p>

    (6) Magloire would become a post presence.</p>

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    so far - only one out six works [​IMG]</p>

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    Wright is still more of a scoring threat that last year and still in the running to show more improvement. I wouldn't say #4, on the whole isn't panning out at all. The others still could happen. Who can say?</p>

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  3. J.S

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    Well...</P>
    We're not average. I think Carter being out is really the hinge, he creates alot of attention (even though he wasn't scoring very well) and Wright, Boki and to a degree RJ all suffer from his absence.</P>
    Let's say we're playing under our record, that is in a nutshell -losing games we should win. And we should lose to Boston (2wice).</P>
    </P>Ok, Nenad is so rusty that he needs to start using WD-40 during shootaround cause I can hear him squeaking on the court and it's not his sneakers.</P>
    </P>Boki is being displaced by Wright, and not dealing with it very well. </P>
    Maglorie has not been given the time on the floor to tune up his game, he has lost weight and is running the floor, that said, he is not being the beneficiary of Kidds remarkable passing. </P>
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    My cynical conclution is that this all equals: Krstic, Boki and Mags will make less money on their contracts. Ratner needs stability for Brooklyn and the eventual changing of the guard (perhaps the point) and this luke warm start is not bad because it lowers upcomming contracts. I guess I'm saying that I believe this team has a good deal more talent than we're showing, and it may help the financial future of the organization.</P>
    There is also no point in racing with Boston or even Toranto, we do better aiming for 3rd and hoping we've got some gas in the tank come playoffs. This is still a playoff team, and our record will dictate our matchups, i.e avoiding Boston in the playoffs as long as possible. I think this is a team capable of a 50 win season that will underperform to get the best post season positioning possible.
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    Kidd may be showing signs of slowing, but his back and recent thigh contusion may be the cause of this. He appears to be improving as a shooter, but is not in the shape to play over 35 mpg at this point IMO. His 5 turnovers @ Boston show that. Here's hoping that Marcus can establish some rotation minutes in light of this and the absence of DA as a primary backup.
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    That's my 2 cents anyhow.
     
  4. Real

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    I think that we're an inconsistent, injury prone team with above average potental that is not in the Celtics' league, and that is why this thread exists, becasue the Celtics proved that twice.</p>
     
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    The more I scratchs my head and thinks about it, the more I come to the conclusion that the Nets are better than 2 years ago (a truer barometer than last year). With no season-long injuries (inspite of Carter, M Williams), there is a lot more talent. I think the Netsy's could make things interesting.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    I think that we're an inconsistent, injury prone team with above average potental that is not in the Celtics' league, and that is why this thread exists, becasue the Celtics proved that twice.</p>

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Inconsistent team.</p>

    We have no true identity. We're not great defensively nor offensively. Some nights you'll see us shut some team down, others outscore them. We're not very good.</p>

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    Is this because we suck, or because we've got injuries, new players, a new offense, and players trying to get in their grooves?</p>

    I'll go with the latter, and give this team some time.</p>

    Still, no excuse for starting Malik Allen.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shard)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    It can always be worse. You could be a Sonics fan.</p>

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    :""""(</p>

    So terribly true</p>
     
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    Well, less than 10% of the season is over. I didn't think the Nets would win more than 47 or so, mainly because you couldnt count on Kidd and Carter to again miss only two games to injury, which is what they did last season. That looks about right, maybe a bit optimistic.</p>

    I grow less and less enamored of Frank, particularly in his inability to construct an offense. He also looks lost in developing a rotation.</p>

    On the other hand, Williams and Wright have surprised. Boki you may recall started slowly last year too. Krstic will probably be doing the two steps forward, one step back through early January. Collins, I believe, is through. He will start for a while and play defense on big men like Shaq and Howard and JON...but his minutes are starting to shrink dramatically. I wish I knew where Carter would wind up.</p>

    All that said, if by early January, this team is playing at less than .500, I wouldn't be surprised by anything.</p>

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  9. AMS_ICE

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    Being this thread is about facing facts, then we have to prepare for a harsh but not so surprising truth. We are once again headed for a disappointing season. Let's start with the roster shall we? Jason Collins: He shouldn't be anywhere near the floor. Frank is way too in love with this guy. Collins should be the one backing up Sean Williams. Magloire: I don't think he has done enough to be a factor. He has to be show up inside. Nachbar: He's still a factor but has to be more consistent. Krstic: Like everyone's been saying, he's not ready. Wright: I think he will have a solid year, but his time really depends on both Carter and RJ. Carter: He seems to be waiting for something when he's on the floor. I have no idea what. Jefferson: Somebody said this already, and he hit right on the head. Jefferson is no leader. But his efforts are needed. Kidd: Hall of Fame bound. I think getting him more rest is out of the question. And yes, even when Marcus returns. Let's face it, when Kidd is on the bench, so goes the Nets.
     
  10. J-HoAgZ

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    Average team? Last year we had a beyond terrible start and ended up exactly average at 41-41. The Nets are known to have bad starts and I expect this team to play like an elite team by December. Marcus should be back by then and hopefully VC. Nachbar might find his shot, Kristic should be back in shape, Magloire I think will get some time with Sean Williams, Collins will finally find his spot riding the pine, and Boone should start playing better with Marcus back. If VC gets stop being a bitch n will go strong to the hole then the Big 3 should be better than ever with RJ having an All-Star year (Knock on Wood).</p>
     
  11. Jizzy

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Well, less than 10% of the season is over. I didn't think the Nets would win more than 47 or so, mainly because you couldnt count on Kidd and Carter to again miss only two games to injury, which is what they did last season. That looks about right, maybe a bit optimistic.</p>

    I grow less and less enamored of Frank, particularly in his inability to construct an offense. He also looks lost in developing a rotation.</p>

    On the other hand, Williams and Wright have surprised. Boki you may recall started slowly last year too. Krstic will probably be doing the two steps forward, one step back through early January. Collins, I believe, is through. He will start for a while and play defense on big men like Shaq and Howard and JON...but his minutes are starting to shrink dramatically. I wish I knew where Carter would wind up.</p>

    All that said, if by early January, this team is playing at less than .500, I wouldn't be surprised by anything.</p>

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    Exactly how I feel.</p>
     
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    After doing some thinking on the subject, I remembered that at the end of last season I was more in favor of making the lottery with the playoffs.</p>

    Now opinion aside, that doesn't change the fact that we were in a position to make the lottery.</p>

    I still think that our improvements should make us a more competative regular season team, and that if we can cut out major injuries that should help us win games as well. But when the season-starting grace period is over (rotation is determined, offense is learned, sloppy mistakes hopefully decreased), and we're still a mediocre team, maybe we should revisit trading for Jermaine O'Neal?</p>

    I'd still hate to give up Marcus though. I guess my feelings are driven by the emergance of Sean, which in turns increases my feelings on giving up Krstic.</p>
     

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