Odom Needs to Go

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  1. Shapecity

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    He's a disaster for us. Early in the game the Jazz were trapping Kobe with aggressive double teams and Odom did nothing to get open and make Utah pay for leaving him unguarded. Kobe had to actually walk up to him and tell him what he should be doing.</p>

    The worst part is Odom knows he's playing poorly, like a bum, the worst he's ever played and he doesn't do anything about it.</p>

    The Lakers will never take the next step until we get better defensively. That's never going to happen with Odom on this roster. He's a two-way liability and becomes Mr. Invisible 4 out of 5 games.</p>
     
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    FREE ARIZA NOW MOVEMENT!</p>
     
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    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    Odom belongs in New York with the those other overpaid malcontents.</p>

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    Unfortunately for us Odom's trade value is probably the lowest it's been ever since he entered the league. If we try trading him now, we'd probably get absolutely nothing. All we can do is stick with this bum and hope he turns things around (like we've been hoping for the past 3 years). It's obvious this 24/7 project is a down right failure. I get pissed off everytime I see Odom on the court, and I've actually been a pretty big Odom supporter in the past. But there is absolutely nothing we can do at this point, unless you are just willing to trade Odom away for trash and bad contracts</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Unfortunately for us Odom's trade value is probably the lowest it's been ever since he entered the league. If we try trading him now, we'd probably get absolutely nothing. All we can do is stick with this bum and hope he turns things around (like we've been hoping for the past 3 years). It's obvious this 24/7 project is a down right failure. I get pissed off everytime I see Odom on the court, and I've actually been a pretty big Odom supporter in the past. But there is absolutely nothing we can do at this point, unless you are just willing to trade Odom away for trash and bad contracts</p>

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    I would argue this makes it easier to trade him because teams will be more willing to swallow his expensive deal thinking they are getting Odom at a bargain.</p>

    It doesn't really matter what the Lakers get for Odom because he doesn't impact our success one way or another. The Lakers need to get expiring contracts or some defensive minded players for him who can hit jumpshots.</p>

    The Lakers aren't winning a title this year with all the talent in the West, they might as well use the entire season to bring in some new faces and build some momentum for next year without Odumb.</p>

    We need to do something with that $12M Odom is pulling in. Getting a true power forward who can play defense would make a major impact for our team. I love Turiaf, but after him it gets sketchy. Neither Radman, Luke, or Odom should be used at the 4 position because they get killed in the paint on defense.</p>

    Adding a physical forward with some size and bulk who also can score around the rim would make all the difference for us.</p>

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    The Lakers have proven it... they can win without odom... what more if we could get some role players for him... why not offer AK for whoever!!!</p>

    But before that, lets offer Odom for Smith or for AK LOL</p>

    Resurrect Odom for Artest!!! or Odom for JO since both of them suck right now LOL</p>

    Fisher, Kobe, Walton or Ariza, Turiaf, Bynum... This focuses on D</p>

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    Here's what will happen too.</p>

    When LO gets traded, all the writers will say "LO couldn't co-exist with Kobe" , when I'm totally convinced, the issue is that LO couldn't co-exist with the Triangle Offense PERIOD. Even the 2nd unit plays better when he's not on the floor.</p>

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (notMuchgame)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Here's what will happen too.</p>

    When LO gets traded, all the writers will say "LO couldn't co-exist with Kobe" , when I'm totally convinced, the issue is that LO couldn't co-exist with the Triangle Offense PERIOD. Even the 2nd unit plays better when he's not on the floor.</p>

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    Yeah exactly. Kobe will get the blame for it some how. "Kobe rides another superstar out of LA" "Can anyone play with Kobe?" etc.</p>

    I also agree with you about the Triangle being the wrong fit for Odom, but the Lakers have bent over backward to accomodate Odom by running hybrid versions of the offense, trying out in two completely different roles in the system, and even running a faster pace offense this year so Odom could get out on the break. A major reason Odom's rebounding numbers are down is PJax wants him leaking out and getting into transition instead of helping out on the defensive glass.</p>

    The bottom line Odom has failed even when the coaching staff has tried to put him in positions to succeed. PJax seems to have given up on him with his latest comments to the press. He's been in Odom's face during timeouts and I think Odom is damaged goods at this point and has to be shipped out first chance the team gets.</p>

    He's an 8 year vet and still doesn't understand the offense. It's no surprise the players struggling to learn the offense are players with jaded backgrounds with poor work ethic.</p>

    Lamar Odom
    Kwame Brown

    Odom played very little college ball and Kwame came straight out of highschool.</p>

    It's amazing to me Andrew Bynum at only 20 with limited minutes already knows the offense better than these two. Same with Farmar he picked it up right away, and JCritt seems to be comfortable in the offense already.</p>

    This justifies that the offense really isn't that hard to learn IF you put in the effort to learn it and believe in it.</p>

    Odom isn't comfortable with the offense unless he can pound the ball for 16 seconds, fake right and then take it soft with his left. He has never added a counter move to his arsenal, he still can't finish with his right hand, and he still has no mid-range game to keep defenders honest. AK47 was just waiting for him all night to do his one move and AK47 was able to force a turnover out of it or contest Odom's weak shit layup attempt.</p>

    In fact it seemed like the Jazz players knew our offense better than we did last night and were jumping the pass.</p>

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (notMuchgame)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Here's what will happen too.</p>

    When LO gets traded, all the writers will say "LO couldn't co-exist with Kobe" , when I'm totally convinced, the issue is that LO couldn't co-exist with the Triangle Offense PERIOD. Even the 2nd unit plays better when he's not on the floor.</p>

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    Yeah exactly. Kobe will get the blame for it some how. "Kobe rides another superstar out of LA" "Can anyone play with Kobe?" etc.</p>

    I also agree with you about the Triangle being the wrong fit for Odom, but the Lakers have bent over backward to accomodate Odom by running hybrid versions of the offense, trying out in two completely different roles in the system, and even running a faster pace offense this year so Odom could get out on the break. A major reason Odom's rebounding numbers are down is PJax wants him leaking out and getting into transition instead of helping out on the defensive glass.</p>

    The bottom line Odom has failed even when the coaching staff has tried to put him in positions to succeed. PJax seems to have given up on him with his latest comments to the press. He's been in Odom's face during timeouts and I think Odom is damaged goods at this point and has to be shipped out first chance the team gets.</p>

    He's an 8 year vet and still doesn't understand the offense. It's no surprise the players struggling to learn the offense are players with jaded backgrounds with poor work ethic.</p>

    Lamar Odom
    Kwame Brown

    Odom played very little college ball and Kwame came straight out of highschool.</p>

    It's amazing to me Andrew Bynum at only 20 with limited minutes already knows the offense better than these two. Same with Farmar he picked it up right away, and JCritt seems to be comfortable in the offense already.</p>

    This justifies that the offense really isn't that hard to learn IF you put in the effort to learn it and believe in it.</p>

    Odom isn't comfortable with the offense unless he can pound the ball for 16 seconds, fake right and then take it soft with his left. He has never added a counter move to his arsenal, he still can't finish with his right hand, and he still has no mid-range game to keep defenders honest. AK47 was just waiting for him all night to do his one move and AK47 was able to force a turnover out of it or contest Odom's weak shit layup attempt.</p>

    In fact it seemed like the Jazz players knew our offense better than we did last night and were jumping the pass.</p>

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    All i can say is that Bynum and Java are the next Shaq and D-Fish... While OJ Mayo will be the next Kobe... then Kobe will be the next Ron Harper but will help these guys win their first ring LOL</p>
     
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    You could probably do Hinrich and Joe Smith for Odom after December 15th....but Hinrich is playing worst than Odom right now [​IMG]</p>
     
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    Memphis is subposed to be unhappy with Gasol, would they consider trading for Odom? How about the Nets-Kidd for Odom and Farmar?</p>
     
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    You know, Kwame Brown used to not have a bad work ethic. Sure, he was never the best...but for a couple of seasons in Washington, he was putting everything together..until injuries struck him. It's really a god damn shame to see such a physical beast go to waste like that.</p>

    As for Odom, I'm done with him. He had 19 and 17 last night...and still the Lakers couldn't win? Granted we played bad defense and Kobe was pretty much a non-factor afterthe first...but when Odom's contributing like that and the Lakers don't win...he just doesn't impact us.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (whatthef?)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Memphis is subposed to be unhappy with Gasol, would they consider trading for Odom? How about the Nets-Kidd for Odom and Farmar?</p>

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    Gasol is an established impact, superstar in this league. He might not be a public star, but his game speaks for him. There is no way Memphis takes Odom for Gasol, unless we throw in Farmar, Bynum, and some picks...or Kobe instead of Odom. Going after Gasol would be absolutely pointless for us because Mitch would just be laughed at.</p>

    We need to go after an impact player who can also be an enforcer...Ron Artest would be perfect. If not an enforcer, at least an impact player. Josh Smith? He seems to be the odd man out in Atlanta, I'd love to have him on this team.</p>
     
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    I'd love to have Josh Smith....he has a small contract (money-wise) which for his talent makes things hard for trades cause other good players at his level have larger salaries...I tried many Odom for Smith trades to make things work, but never happened</p>
     
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    I don't think Josh Smith will be the right fit for this team. He's a good player, but relies on his athleticism and doesn't have the fundamentals needed to have success in halfcourt sets.</p>

    His rookie deal ends after this season and the Hawks couldn't reach an agreement to extend him. He wants a near max deal and I don't think he'd be worth it. He's been almost as inconsistent as Odom looking at his game log and doesn't have the size we're lacking in our frontcourt.</p>

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    I say enough with building for the future, because we have a REALLY good future in Bynum, JavaMan, Farmar, and Ariza. Don't trade for future players w/ Odom unless you get Dwight Howard/Chris Bosh/Josh Howard/Josh Smith, which are all not happening. Get a player who can come in, start, and make an immediate impact. I keep saying this, GET A PLAYER WHOSE DISCONTENT WITH HIS PRESENT TEAM AND NEEDS A CHANGE IN SCENERY.</p>
     

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