Reasons why you dislike Hillary Clinton.

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  1. 44Thrilla

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I also don't like how she wants to just yank the troops out. I agree with pulling them out, but not in a big blitz. I read somewhere that she wanted majority out in 60 days? That's insane.</div> You should hate Barack Obama even more then. He has said he will have all the troops out of Iraq in one year. Hillary has said "as soon as possible" and said that it will probably take more than a year to do it right.

    As for the topic, I don't hate her at all. On the issues, her and Obama are basically the same, especially on the important ones. I am, however, supporting Obama because like others have stated, he has more of a dynamic personality and seems really enthusiastic about changing things in the country. Hillary comes off more as a career politician going through the motions.
     
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    Make that 4 times she's cried after tommorow. There is an impending primary on Tuesday, so I have a feeling the water works will start flowing tommorow.
     
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    Gotta love her. This is the same kind of thing Clinton's goons pulled when he was president. Now he's doing his own dirty work.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200.../17/673670.aspx


    Bill spars with Obama supporter
    Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:21 PM by Mark Murray
    Filed Under: 2008, Clinton

    From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
    CANTON, OH -- Robert Holeman came to Timken High School here today with a message to deliver to Bill Clinton. He did -- and he said the former president wasn’t happy about it.

    Clinton spoke to a capacity crowd in this Northeast Ohio town, the third of five events today in the Buckeye State. He told voters that the contest was “the power of speeches against the promise of solutions by a world-class change maker.”

    Throughout the event, as Clinton made his case for his wife, Holeman’s dissenting voice could be heard. At times he simply shouted Obama’s name. When Clinton would set up a sure applause line, Holeman could be heard heckling. As soon as Clinton finished speaking, the Canton native made a beeline to the ropeline to give Clinton a piece of his mind.

    “I asked the president to please stop the bickering between the campaigns,” Holeman said in an interview afterwards. “All this name calling is like the bully in the yard. He can’t get his way, he can’t get nothing done.” Holeman said he thought Clinton was “gasping for air.”

    “This is the last hurrah. After March 4, Hillary Clinton will be out of the race for good, and Obama will take the commanding lead,” he said. “She should back him with her delegates immediately. That’s what I’m asking them to do.”

    Holeman said that Clinton responded by saying Obama came after him first. Holeman also described Clinton’s reaction to him as “irate.”

    “I think he even hit me in the face with his hand,” he said. “He did give me a little pop. It was okay, because I understand his tenacity for his wife.” Clinton did engage Holeman for a few minutes, at times pointing directly at him. It was unclear whether he did make physical contact, however.

    Holeman said he did support Bill Clinton during his campaigns, but that now the country wants a “new perspective.” “I think the president’s trying hoodwink us, bamboozle us, put us back in the okie doke,” he said. “He had eight years to do what he was supposed to do. All the things he said that she’s gonna do, he had the same authority that he wants her to have. Now if one Clinton, the male Clinton can’t get it done, how is Ms. Clinton [going to].”

    Several Clinton supporters who saw the exchange came up to Holeman after to -- shall we say delicately -- express their disapproval for his actions. More negativity, Holeman said. “Hillary Clinton has started the most negative campaign I have ever seen, other than what the Republicans can launch,” he said. “I think we need to come together on those issues.”

    *** UPDATE *** Obama spokesperson Ben LaBolt said Holeman was "absolutely not" a plant by the campaign. And a spokesperson for President Clinton who was near the president said there was no physical contact.
     
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    She cries. People will feel bad for her, so they'll vote for her after seeing her cry.
     
  5. Mamba

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    I thought Barack had planned out, over time withdrawal plan to get the troops out, no?
     
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    I don't think people point out how ass-ugly she is enough. That should be a major election talking point.
     
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    That was a given, the main reason why she will lose. Seen her without makeup? God she's hideous.
     
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    Would you guys vote for Jessica Alba if she ran for president? Just wondering. Seeing her on TV everyday is tempting. Every other country would probably be drooling over her and stop the wars and stuff. lol
     
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    I won't vote for Hillary becacuse I disagree with her on the vast majority, if not all of her positions on the issues.

    I won't vote for her because she comes off as a bitch, or she plants questions, or she cries on tv, or because she's a woman or whatever. I just think things like universal health care will not turn out very well.

    Same goes with Obama.

    Therefore, I will probably vote for McCain against Hillary. Or, if somehow I get unsatisfied with McCain, I'll vote for a third party candidate (unlikely), or Ron Paul if he runs.
     
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    I'd rather have Bush back.
     
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    Because the only reason she's doing as well is because of Bill.

    And she's a woman
     
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    I despise everything about her. As far as I'm concerned, she's the political Paris Hilton.
     
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    Gotta agree w/ Mamba that she does sound contrived. But, then what politician doesn't sound like they are pandering?

    I hate freezing of the mortgages. Let the market correct itself.

    She beats this damn universal healthcare into the ground. Decouple it from business, let individuals purchase it for themselves but w/ more choices. If people in a bad way then yeah let them suck from the tit of the government but only temporarily.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Feb 18 2008, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gotta agree w/ Mamba that she does sound contrived. But, then what politician doesn't sound like they are pandering?

    I hate freezing of the mortgages. Let the market correct itself.

    She beats this damn universal healthcare into the ground. Decouple it from business, let individuals purchase it for themselves but w/ more choices. If people in a bad way then yeah let them suck from the tit of the government but only temporarily.</div>

    I hate how she opens her stupid face and bothers Obama about being "all talk". Her "solutions" are just proposals and rhetoric right now as well (****ing annoying tool). She does the exact same thing except Obama appears more sincere.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy @ Feb 17 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>She cries. People will feel bad for her, so they'll vote for her after seeing her cry.</div>

    The feminist cause should get all over her for this.

    You would think a enlightened, Ivy league educated, Woman would not need to manipulate people by relying on a typical female stereotype?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 18 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hate how she opens her stupid face and bothers Obama about being "all talk". Her "solutions" are just proposals and rhetoric right now as well (****ing annoying tool). She does the exact same thing except Obama appears more sincere.</div>

    They say if you can fake sincerity then you've got it made.

    Barack, at least, has held a job in the real world.

    Here is another point about Hillary; she has always worked in governement/the public sector.

    Hell, she's ideally qualified to work at a liberal think tank in Northern Cali (i.e Stanford or Berkeley) when the Presidential quest doen't work out.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Feb 18 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 18 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hate how she opens her stupid face and bothers Obama about being "all talk". Her "solutions" are just proposals and rhetoric right now as well (****ing annoying tool). She does the exact same thing except Obama appears more sincere.</div>

    They say if you can fake sincerity then you've got it made.

    Barack, at least, has held a job in the real world.

    Here is another point about Hillary; she has always worked in governement/the public sector.

    Hell, she's ideally qualified to work at a liberal think tank in Northern Cali (i.e Stanford or Berkeley) when the Presidential quest doen't work out.
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    I don't intend to get mired in this miserable "debate," but I will comment on your third point: It's quite unfair to millions of hard working civil servants to use their public service as a negative strike against them, or to imply something that isn't there. I know many, many wonderful, conscienscious, brilliant people who have given up more lucrative jobs to work for the federal government because they believe in what they're doing, despite a lot of frustrations that come with the job. Civil servants should be praised, not demonized. So what ever you think of Mrs. Clinton, please, I ask you, erase that point from your argument . . . .
     
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    As far as I'm concerned it's all rhetoric from every candidate for President when they claim to be able to change anything. As we all remember from high school government classes; the legislature makes the laws, the executive enforces the laws and the judicial well, err, judges the law or legality of said. Except in the case of a signing statement on the part of the executive that voids or states to ignore aspects of the legislated law, or when the judicial does whatever the hell it wants. Regardless, the President can only control so much without the support of Congress or the courts.

    Otherwise... I get annoyed and concerned when "voters" read email or website drivel/attacks and accept them as fact without looking into finding the facts behind the accusations. Obama is a Muslim... McCain fathered a black baby... Hillary killed Vince Foster. I mean really people. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 18 2008, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Feb 18 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 18 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hate how she opens her stupid face and bothers Obama about being "all talk". Her "solutions" are just proposals and rhetoric right now as well (****ing annoying tool). She does the exact same thing except Obama appears more sincere.</div>

    They say if you can fake sincerity then you've got it made.

    Barack, at least, has held a job in the real world.

    Here is another point about Hillary; she has always worked in governement/the public sector.

    Hell, she's ideally qualified to work at a liberal think tank in Northern Cali (i.e Stanford or Berkeley) when the Presidential quest doen't work out.
    </div>

    I don't intend to get mired in this miserable "debate," but I will comment on your third point: It's quite unfair to millions of hard working civil servants to use their public service as a negative strike against them, or to imply something that isn't there. I know many, many wonderful, conscienscious, brilliant people who have given up more lucrative jobs to work for the federal government because they believe in what they're doing, despite a lot of frustrations that come with the job. Civil servants should be praised, not demonized. So what ever you think of Mrs. Clinton, please, I ask you, erase that point from your argument . . . .
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    My intent was not denigrate Public servants rather to point out HRC's lifelong career in a sector which has shaped her Ivory Tower mentality.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Feb 18 2008, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 18 2008, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Feb 18 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 18 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hate how she opens her stupid face and bothers Obama about being "all talk". Her "solutions" are just proposals and rhetoric right now as well (****ing annoying tool). She does the exact same thing except Obama appears more sincere.</div>

    They say if you can fake sincerity then you've got it made.

    Barack, at least, has held a job in the real world.

    Here is another point about Hillary; she has always worked in governement/the public sector.

    Hell, she's ideally qualified to work at a liberal think tank in Northern Cali (i.e Stanford or Berkeley) when the Presidential quest doen't work out.
    </div>

    I don't intend to get mired in this miserable "debate," but I will comment on your third point: It's quite unfair to millions of hard working civil servants to use their public service as a negative strike against them, or to imply something that isn't there. I know many, many wonderful, conscienscious, brilliant people who have given up more lucrative jobs to work for the federal government because they believe in what they're doing, despite a lot of frustrations that come with the job. Civil servants should be praised, not demonized. So what ever you think of Mrs. Clinton, please, I ask you, erase that point from your argument . . . .
    </div>

    My intent was not denigrate Public servants rather to point out HRC's lifelong career in a sector which has shaped her Ivory Tower mentality.
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    ok I gotcha--but, in my experience of knowing hundreds upon hundreds of career civil servants, from paralegals and clerks up to the highest federal executives, there really isn't an overarching mindset or "Ivory Tower" mentality. Really . . . you are what you are.
     

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