Belinelli will destroy you

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  1. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Dude is sick. Nellie waited WAY too long to bench Barnes and Al and put this guy in.
     
  2. cpawfan

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    Knew he would do well once he got a chance. One of my favorite players from the last draft.
     
  3. Jumpman

    Jumpman And Your Nominees Are...

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    I remember him lighting it up in the SPL. His shot is silky smooth.
     
  4. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    A bit overdue, but I'm happy that he's still able to produce at this stage of the season. I still think he's got a bright future in the league.
     
  5. Run BJM

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Apr 5 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A bit overdue, but I'm happy that he's still able to produce at this stage of the season. I still think he's got a bright future in the league.</div>
    I think a big part of the problem is that hes not used to coming off the bench. For most of the year if he got to sniff playing time during meaningful minutes Nellie would throw him in for 2 or 3 minutes and if he wasn't doing anything Nellie would yank him. He never hit any of his shots when he was fresh off the bench and obviously that what we look for him to do. Hes gotta get some playing time, get some shots up before hes really warmed up. Last night Nellie was committed to giving him several minutes of playing time. Belinelli started it off by getting the tip in, that bought him a few more minutes. IIRC his next shot was a missed 3 pointer which immediately made me think hes gonna get yanked if he doesn't hit his next one. Then he hit a 3 pointer and from there he was rolling, hitting all of his mid-range fading shots, etc. He also helped his case by being active in other areas of the court, he nabbed a couple rebounds, got a few assists, and showed some general activity going to the rim a few times and running the break.

    He could be a great 6th man next season if he adjusts to coming off the bench and Nellie commits to giving him some shots and playing time to get him going. Hes got great potential with his insane release, accuracy when fading in any direction, and decent athleticism. He looks pretty terrible on defense but he should be able to be adequate with some more experience. I like his floor game since hes got a nice handle and he makes some nifty passes. Hes gotta get stronger though because right now he can't finish and hes also too weak to take contact and get to the line. He'll probably never be much of a rebounder.
     
  6. pegs

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    Dude is money! Instantly become one of those players to watch, for me. I wanna see him get even more chances.
     
  7. Chutney

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    Run, do you see this performance leading to some legitimate opportunities for him? I've never been able to understand the way Nelson doles out minutes or manages his rotation: its too unpredictable. But, it'd be cool to see him playing meaningful minutes if the team makes the playoffs. As you said, its not like Al or Barnes have been doing anything with their time anyways.
     
  8. Run BJM

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Apr 5 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Run, do you see this performance leading to some legitimate opportunities for him? I've never been able to understand the way Nelson doles out minutes or manages his rotation: its too unpredictable. But, it'd be cool to see him playing meaningful minutes if the team makes the playoffs. As you said, its not like Al or Barnes have been doing anything with their time anyways.</div>
    I'm as clueless as you are. Like you said, Nellie is so random you just don't know what hes going to do. We've seen a lot of games earlier in the year where Wright, POB, or Kosta had great games and then didn't see anymore floor time for 10 games. I know that Nellie said that he liked the matchup Belinelli had with Navarro, the question is does Nellie trust Belinelli against Morris Peterson or Peja Stojakovic in our next game with New Orleans? How about on Kevin Martin or Francisco Garcia the following game in Sacramento? We also don't know if Nellie was just doing this to send a message to Harrington and Barnes or whether he actually thinks Beli will be a contributor. In short, I have absolutely no idea if he'll play again any time soon.

    Nellie has been playing Wright a consistent 12 mpg for the last 10 games. I think he'll probably do the same with Belinelli where he'll at least give him a chance to impact a game. If Beli plays well, he'll get more minutes in that game, if he doesn't do much Nellie will go to someone else. Mind you he'll also give al and Barnes a few minutes to see if they'll finally sack up and if they do then Beli will surely be benched for them. Plus Pietrus is supposed to come back any day now and theres one less spot in the rotation for him.
     
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    Nellie gives a longer leash to veterans, but when they fail to execute, he'll give the high effort guys a chance to prove themselves. It serves 2 purposes:

    1) it lights a fire under the starter who just lost minutes
    2) it keeps the young guys working all season long in practice and when they get their shot, they play within the system to show that they're a legitimate option.

    I don't see this as anythingout of place, Harrington and Barnes haven't done anything, and Pietrus is taking his sweet little time to come back. Just cause Belinelli's got minutes and played will this game doesn't mean his leash is any longer next time.
     
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    Belinelli looked great. He should really be taking Pietrus/CJ's minutes. Pietrus and CJ are black holes on offense that don't pass well, and if they aren't hitting shots, they just take up space on the court. The only thing to like about Pietrus is his rebounding, but Brandan Wright does that with much more ease and crashes the offensive glass and plays good interior D which we need.

    Things to like about Belinelli:
    He can shoot - It's a damn quick shot and it is super pretty. Especially off the fade. But only when he makes it. When he isn't making the shot, he won't do much for us scoring
    He can handle - he ran the pick and roll pretty well and he knows how to dribble to create his shots.
    He's smart on the court - He knows where to go on the court and he understands when he is handling when there are open spots.
    He can pass - He passes pretty well. A bit too showman for me, but he knows where to pass, and he doesn't force it.

    Things to dislike about Belinelli:
    Defense (or lack thereof) - He really get's hammered on the screens, but all teams do that to the Warriors guards. Not too hard to watch. He also gets burned really easily on the perimeter, but with a good big guy inside or playing the zone, we should be able to cover that up.
    Inconsistency shooting - Belinelli has great form, but he seems like a streak shooter like Mike Miller right now. When he isn't hitting he fades into the back of the game and doesn't do much.

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    To add, when Beli is in, the ball movement was much better. He handles so much better than the rock heads (CJ/Pietrus/Barnes/Harrington) and he knows when to pass. Having him being able to shoot also allows the Warriors to have a great option coming off of screens and that allows the ball to hop around so much more.

    I think right now using Belinelli/Wright would be soooooooooooo much more useful than Pietrus/Barnes/Harrington/CJ. They've been terrible lately and when they can't shoot, they can't do anything that isn't replaceable.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Air Monta @ Apr 5 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think right now using Belinelli/Wright would be soooooooooooo much more useful than Pietrus/Barnes/Harrington/CJ. They've been terrible lately and when they can't shoot, they can't do anything that isn't replaceable.</div>

    I disagree about Belinelli being so much more useful than Pietrus. Pietrus gives us much more rebounding and solid defense along with extreme hussle. Can't say that about Belinelli at the moment.
     
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    It's only one game. But I like what I saw. I'm worried he's more of streak shooter than a pure shooter. If he could shoot like Navarro, I'd be happy.

    He always gets blocked on drives, so that is worrisome. He needs to score to be effective. So in a way he is like Harrington.

    Love the way the guy shoots though. A lot of style to his shot. But I'd rather him make it. Also he seems to shoot a flat shot much of the time. Maybe that's because of the fading away?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gohn @ Apr 5 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's only one game. But I like what I saw. I'm worried he's more of streak shooter than a pure shooter. If he could shoot like Navarro, I'd be happy.

    He always gets blocked on drives, so that is worrisome. He needs to score to be effective. So in a way he is like Harrington.

    Love the way the guy shoots though. A lot of style to his shot. But I'd rather him make it. Also he seems to shoot a flat shot much of the time. Maybe that's because of the fading away?</div>


    I believe BArnes will play his second best game of the season. His first being left off the roster by an "accident" who is really buying that. I look for Barnes to serve the suspension without any boneheaded mistakes. This is a huge addition by subtraction. I mean do really need to see him in his red warm ups while the rest of the team is in their blues, or how ever he tries to stand out. I hope that elbow was his swan song. I have been harping on losing that idiot off the roster for 2 years. I got my wish with Fisher.... and BArnes is 6 regular season games away from never being a Warrior again. Amen.
     
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    Belinelli is exciting to watch, that's for sure. I wish he had more variety to his game, though. I worry if that jumper isn't going in, what else does he do? It's kind of like the guy who throws dunk after dunk... That's great, but what happens if the D is denying that shot inside?
     
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    Belinelli is too slow. He gets burned on defense and he's too slow to get back on defense or run the fast break. I watched him play starting about half way through the third quarter. He played well. But just watching him do anything, he is so much slower than everyone else on the court. I guess another player who was slow but not that bad was Chris Mullin. But this may be a different NBA, and he has yet to really blow anyone away with his shooting, though granted he hasn't had the best of opportunities. At worst he may be another Jiri Welsch. But I think he will be better than that.

    But Al Harrington is playing horribly and I'd love to see Belinelli get some more time subing in for Al. Al is a black hole who cannot make a shot to save his life.
     
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    Bellineli is fun to watch when he is hitting shots but I really wish he wouldn't fade away every time. It's great that he can hit it if he has to fade away but a fade from 18 feet or more is not a shot we should be taking. At least Jack has his feet set when he fires up quick 3s. If I were Nellie I'd pull him as soon as he misses one of those shots too.
     
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    His shot is only going to get better. He's athletic enough to get his shot off and that's all you need.

    He'll finish better later too, look Hornacek scored inside, so does Hinrich and Lindsay Hunter and they are not leapers.

    Give him time. He's a rookie.
     
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    I think there's some miscommunication. Bellinelli is pretty darn athletic (meaning to me he can jump high, do 360 dunks, and get off his feet quickly). What he isn't is quick-footed going sideways or retreating backwards. He moves very slow shuffling his feet. But to me, this isn't a problem because look at Jrich who also had the same issue of foot quickness going any other direction other than straight forward.

    The problem that Jrich did not have and Belinelli does have, is the difference in physical tools for shooting guard and the ways they play defense. Belinelli's problem is that he's not physically strong like Jrich, nor does he have the same weight training regimen going from college to nba sophmore. Like Philsmith said, give it time. He could be a very decent defender if he gets stronger and learns how to play defense at the nba level, which means knowing how to play the angles, how much space to give, how to defend the post-up, and when to expect the cut or the screen. He should get stronger so he can hold ground on the post ups, learn to stay balanced against physical contact, and also fight through screens. It's just a very physical game and I'm not sure he's equipped to work at shooting guard if he doesn't own the quickness match-up or the strength match-up. You get defeated two ways unless Marco outsmarts them with bball IQ and experience.

    Hinrich can at least dunk and when he does it's called the Hinrich Maneuver. Ask Tony Parker if he'll even attempt that often. He just can't jump or he lacks big hands or wingspan or something. Actually, Hinrich isn't really known as a leaper, he's probably known more for his quickness and his knowledge of the game (coach's son and all). But, I think he's a decent shot and good defender when healthy.
     

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