Garnett's will and determination and his hard work every single game is why he won the MVP award. He is what brought that team together and made them the winner they became. Pierce is a great player, but he will never be the leader Garnett is and he, in my opinion, is not the team's best player nevermind the globe's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Jul 31 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Garnett's will and determination and his hard work every single game is why he won the MVP award.</div> Let's not get carried away!!
The MVP award goes to the best player on one of the top teams in the league. Just look at this year's candidates- Kobe (first in the West), Paul (lead NO to 2nd seed in tough Western Conference), KG (best record in the league), and LeBron (an exception to the rule, but look at the man's numbers). Without Garnett playing the way he does every night that team would not have been as successfully as it was. He made that team so much better by his unselfishness and his refusal to take a night off. When Boston acquired him and Ray Allen last year the question everyone was asking was can they coexist and put their egos aside? I think Garnett was an enormous part of their ability to play together and the reason he is such a great leader is because he leads by example and plays every single game with so much heart and determination. His numbers were not as impressive as some of the other candidates and they paled in comparison to statlines he has put up previously in his career, but he won the award because of what he did to change the culture of that team. Most VALUABLE player, there was no doubt it was him. There was plenty of reason to doubt Boston before the season started. Look at the Lakers when they added Malone and Payton, they were supposed to blow away everyone on paper, but without the chemistry you have nothing. Garnett made sure they would have no problems playing together and for that he should get so much credit and that is why he won the award..He didnt win it because of his numbers, if it were about numbers he wouldnt have been in the conversation.
Well I think everything I said was pretty on point minus the whole him not winning it thing haha..I uhhh was talking about 2k8 obviouslyyy..hmm..yeaah
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 31 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It was a horrible trade because of LaFrentz's contract. Sure he should have gotten rid of Shimmy Boy, but that was a horrible contract to take back and it made the team worse. It also required Ainge to give away talent later on to fix this mistake. A constant theme for his GM-ship.</div> First off, Walker's dance is called the wiggle, not the shimmy. Get it right. Secondly, it didn't require any talent to get rid of Raef, his contract was traded for Ratliff's contract when the Telfair deal went down. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It is hilarious that you are using speculation to declare it as speculation</div>What? If you're asking if I am speculating that Danny Ainge's penis gets erect for 1st round picks, you're right. I have never felt or seen it while he was in the middle of acquiring a draft pick. Other than that, there is no speculation on my part, just yours.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>When push came to shove, Ainge made a huge mistake</div>So did every other GM in basketball, then, for passing on Ellis. But only criticize Ainge for it. Makes sense. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No, the key is the contract he gave Blount. Once again, a horrible decision by him has to be corrected down the road with another mistake filled trade</div> Yes, in hindsight, it was a bad signing. But Blount had a great contract year and it looked like a good deal at the time. Even without Blount in that trade, it's still a W for Ainge. The first rounder decided it. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nice way of saying either the Celtics overpaid or they had such crap on their roster that they had to give up Al Jefferson.</div> Don't be ridiculous. We're talking about KG here. They had to give up Jefferson, just like any other team would have had to give up their best young player. McHale is stupid, but not that stupid.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No, no they weren't. Most had written him off.</div> Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? You talk like you're some kind of NBA insider. You do it so casually, too. How do you know that? Any Boston trade rumors that came out back then had the other team demanding Green.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Not my problem that you don't remember them.</div> Haha, funny. I remember the rumors, but none of the packages I heard about were better than the Boston one. Even AFTER KG refused to go to Boston, McHale still couldn't come up with anything better. Like I said, you read articles on websites or in the paper and you believe them all. Don't be naive, not everything you read is fact.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You really need to quit being so clueless and tossing out baseless accusations.</div> I'm sorry, but it's true. You present rumors and speculation as fact, and you do it a lot. I'm not saying you're making things up, you just say things that were once rumors and talk about them like they are 100% legit and factual.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 31 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gobillsdeep @ Jul 31 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would say its a little early to call Green a bust. He is 22. Had he gone to college for 4 years, this would be his first year in the league. Im not saying hes great or even that I like him but he does have a lot of talent and he will definitely get better.</div> Green fully earned his bust tag. It appears to be the only thing he worked hard at during his career. </div> What appears to be the only thing he worked hard at?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Jul 31 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off, Walker's dance is called the wiggle, not the shimmy. Get it right. Secondly, it didn't require any talent to get rid of Raef, his contract was traded for Ratliff's contract when the Telfair deal went down.</div> Wrong. Telfair had worn out his welcome in Portland. They were dumping him. Without the first round pick, Raef doesn't get traded for Theo. That deal was all about Boston missing out on Gay. I'd say Roy, but Ainge isn't smart enough to pull off the swap that KP did by screwing up the planned trade between Houston and Minnesota. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What? If you're asking if I am speculating that Danny Ainge's penis gets erect for 1st round picks, you're right. I have never felt or seen it while he was in the middle of acquiring a draft pick. Other than that, there is no speculation on my part, just yours.</div> Yes there is. You have no proof that there wasn't an offer from Houston. I'll trust what I was told. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So did every other GM in basketball, then, for passing on Ellis. But only criticize Ainge for it. Makes sense.</div> Try to stick to the topic. We aren't talking about other GM's here. Ainge screwed up and you can't sugar coat it. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, in hindsight, it was a bad signing. But Blount had a great contract year and it looked like a good deal at the time. Even without Blount in that trade, it's still a W for Ainge. The first rounder decided it.</div> It was a bad signing from the moment it happened. The trade is still a bad trade because of Wally's contract and known injury issues. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Don't be ridiculous. We're talking about KG here. They had to give up Jefferson, just like any other team would have had to give up their best young player. McHale is stupid, but not that stupid.</div> I'll leave you in your KG is god world. I deal in reality and yes, McHale is that stupid. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? You talk like you're some kind of NBA insider. You do it so casually, too. How do you know that? Any Boston trade rumors that came out back then had the other team demanding Green.</div> I have some very good sources and I don't talk out of my ass. Published trade rumors are funny things. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Haha, funny. I remember the rumors, but none of the packages I heard about were better than the Boston one. Even AFTER KG refused to go to Boston, McHale still couldn't come up with anything better. Like I said, you read articles on websites or in the paper and you believe them all. Don't be naive, not everything you read is fact.</div> I'll say it again, quit making such ridiculous accusations. I believe very little of what I read on websites or in the paper and I only state as fact what I know to be facts. In seasons prior, McHale had received better offers, but he turned them down because he was convinced he could still build around him. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry, but it's true. You present rumors and speculation as fact, and you do it a lot. I'm not saying you're making things up, you just say things that were once rumors and talk about them like they are 100% legit and factual.</div> For the third time, no I don't. I only talk about facts as facts. The thing to remember is that there are multiple side to any trade proposal and many things change as a deal is getting structured. Heck, teams make offers all the time to put pressure on other teams and there is a huge rumor market that the public never hears about. I'm not saying I know everything, but the things I know, I know and I don't toss around rumors as facts. Although some of the things I say may only appear in public as rumors, I don't talk out of my ass.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gobillsdeep @ Jul 31 2008, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 31 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gobillsdeep @ Jul 31 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would say its a little early to call Green a bust. He is 22. Had he gone to college for 4 years, this would be his first year in the league. Im not saying hes great or even that I like him but he does have a lot of talent and he will definitely get better.</div> Green fully earned his bust tag. It appears to be the only thing he worked hard at during his career. </div> What appears to be the only thing he worked hard at? </div> Sucking Being a bust Not working hard Not understanding the NBA game Take your pick
I don't know why people were arguing earlier about who was most important to the celtics. Without KG the celtics don't win the title. Without Paul Pierce the Celtics don't win the title (made painfully evident by the silenced Boston Garden once he had to be carried off because of his knee injury). Both players contributed equally and it would be unfair to give either player more credit than the other for bringing Boston a championship.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890 @ Jul 31 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know why people were arguing earlier about who was most important to the celtics. Without KG the celtics don't win the title. Without Paul Pierce the Celtics don't win the title (made painfully evident by the silenced Boston Garden once he had to be carried off because of his knee injury). Both players contributed equally and it would be unfair to give either player more credit than the other for bringing Boston a championship.</div> Without Rajon Rondo the Celtics don't win a title. Does he deserve equal credit, too? How about James Posey? Eddie House? This was KG's team. Everyone else was a compliment to him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 31 2008, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890 @ Jul 31 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know why people were arguing earlier about who was most important to the celtics. Without KG the celtics don't win the title. Without Paul Pierce the Celtics don't win the title (made painfully evident by the silenced Boston Garden once he had to be carried off because of his knee injury). Both players contributed equally and it would be unfair to give either player more credit than the other for bringing Boston a championship.</div> Without Rajon Rondo the Celtics don't win a title. Does he deserve equal credit, too? How about James Posey? Eddie House? This was KG's team. Everyone else was a compliment to him. </div> No, Paul Pierce and KG complimented each other. Paul Peirce is in no way a role player a la eddie house. and honestly do you really think the Celtics couldnt have won without Eddie House?? Cmon now. It's kind of wierd to even say this was complertely KG's team since the man waited his whole effin career to be a complimentary player (the man almsot never takes over in the final quarter). Sure he instilled a defensive mentality which helped propelled them to a championship, but then we might as well say that the Pistons were Ben Wallace's team instead of Chauncey Billups.'
This was KG's team, but without Paul Pierce they don't win a title. You can't say the same for one bench player like James Posey or for Rajon Rondo either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 31 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890 @ Jul 31 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know why people were arguing earlier about who was most important to the celtics. Without KG the celtics don't win the title. Without Paul Pierce the Celtics don't win the title (made painfully evident by the silenced Boston Garden once he had to be carried off because of his knee injury). Both players contributed equally and it would be unfair to give either player more credit than the other for bringing Boston a championship.</div> Without Rajon Rondo the Celtics don't win a title. Does he deserve equal credit, too? How about James Posey? Eddie House? This was KG's team. Everyone else was a compliment to him. </div> It is very easy to prove that it wasn't KG's team. They had success in the playoffs.
Great example you're setting with this. Calm down, it's not a big deal. Both of us are so far away we will never find middle ground. Let's just end this now because we're hijacking this thread.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 31 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 31 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890 @ Jul 31 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know why people were arguing earlier about who was most important to the celtics. Without KG the celtics don't win the title. Without Paul Pierce the Celtics don't win the title (made painfully evident by the silenced Boston Garden once he had to be carried off because of his knee injury). Both players contributed equally and it would be unfair to give either player more credit than the other for bringing Boston a championship.</div> Without Rajon Rondo the Celtics don't win a title. Does he deserve equal credit, too? How about James Posey? Eddie House? This was KG's team. Everyone else was a compliment to him. </div> It is very easy to prove that it wasn't KG's team. They had success in the playoffs. </div> Looked like KG's team when they were away in the first 2 rounds
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 31 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 31 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890 @ Jul 31 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know why people were arguing earlier about who was most important to the celtics. Without KG the celtics don't win the title. Without Paul Pierce the Celtics don't win the title (made painfully evident by the silenced Boston Garden once he had to be carried off because of his knee injury). Both players contributed equally and it would be unfair to give either player more credit than the other for bringing Boston a championship.</div> Without Rajon Rondo the Celtics don't win a title. Does he deserve equal credit, too? How about James Posey? Eddie House? This was KG's team. Everyone else was a compliment to him. </div> It is very easy to prove that it wasn't KG's team. They had success in the playoffs. </div> Which I already explained and you ignored.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No, Paul Pierce and KG complimented each other. Paul Peirce is in no way a role player a la eddie house. and honestly do you really think the Celtics couldnt have won without Eddie House?? Cmon now. It's kind of wierd to even say this was complertely KG's team since the man waited his whole effin career to be a complimentary player (the man almsot never takes over in the final quarter). Sure he instilled a defensive mentality which helped propelled them to a championship, but then we might as well say that the Pistons were Ben Wallace's team instead of Chauncey Billups.'</div> hes not a role player but hes the teams second start behind KG..That IS Garnetts team..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Jul 31 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Great example you're setting with this. Calm down, it's not a big deal. Both of us are so far away we will never find middle ground. Let's just end this now because we're hijacking this thread.</div> As if I'm not calm. Are you sure don't want to make yet another false accusation against me?
