How should (can) the Nets get rid of Sean Williams?

Really? I thought Dooling is a MUCH better defender. Sure, both are shoot first type players, but I believe Keyon plays harder defense than Nate and has made some pretty big shots for us thusfar into the season.

 

As a complete player Dooling is better, as a spark plug Nate.

 

I do not want Sean to get traded he is my favorite Net and he still oozes with potential. I think when given time this year he has performed well despite the foul trouble he has gotten himself into on just about a nightly basis. He still has plenty to learn and I would much rather have him on this team than Boone. If you trade anyone trade Boone, Hassel or Swift. Or better yet, all three. Boone is such a liability on the court with his free throws Brook is 10xs better and I would much rather give his minutes off the bench to Sean. As for the D league point that his been brought up--I hate the idea, anyone remember how unimpressive his summer league play was? He needs to play against the best players to get better, for him its just a matter of getting playing time before he becomes disinterested. He's still young and still has alot to learn about the game of basketball but there is no way I give up his potential and room for immense growth unless its a part of a deal that gets us a stud player back. At this point we can get way more for Boone and I would much rather go with a rotation of Harris/Carter/Simmons/Yi/Lopez with Dooling/CDR/Hayes/Anderson/Williams as the second unit. Trading Williams would be a big mistake, he has the potential to be a Ben Wallace type who dominates the boards and gets around three blocks a game..

 

What type of complete game are we talking about? He's not the better scorer, rebounder, or passer. On defense, I'd give him the edge, but Nate has greatly improved on defense, averaging almost 2 steals per game. He's not as efficient either.

 

Here we go again, you think I don't watch the Knicks, he's a talented player can explode offensively on the court, he can force steals , crazy athleticism, but the complete player another words the guy that can control his heat check shots, can play defense smarter, can score smarter is Dooling. Back to the defender that is Dooling... he atleast stops dribble penetration, Nate is still raw he plays on emotions, on the crowd not on smarts, this is like that BS arguement you gave me how long ago about David Lee's imaginery jumpshot (What happened to that BTW ? & yes even after his double double vs DET). You seriously want to know who makes your team fundamentally smart and isn't talked about...Chris Duhon, you watch him he rebounds, he boxes out (a lost art), defends 1 on 1 w/ the best of the PG/SG in the league, stops dribble pentration and has a high IQ on the court, doesn't turnover the basketball, he also rubs off on Q and Chandler. So yeh I'd take Dooling over Nate by a slim margin but I'd still take him over Nate complete game-wise.

 

Dooling is this high IQ player now? He plays out of control often... he tends to drive the lane, leave his feet, not be able to find a man and have to force it up. He does force shots up too much for a PG.

 

How is Dooling the "smarter" scorer if he averages fewer points and shoots a worse percentage? Dooling has questionable shot selection which is reflected in his mediocre 43% FG. The notion that Dooling is somehow this poised point guard is laughable and above all fictitious and you know this. As Brooklyn mentioned, he has frequent spurts where he is out of control. As for this "he controls his heat check nonsense", when you shoot 47% from the field and 40% from downtown like Nate, coaches tend not to mind your heat checks. Every NBA player has heat checks, especially players who have career averages over 9 points.

Nate has also done a much better job finding his teammates, averaging 4.2 assists. Dooling is averaging a career high 3.1 assists per game, an atrocious stat for a 9th year veteran "point guard". And for a 6’3, long, athletic guard, Dooling is averaging an abysmal 1.7 RPG (talk about that lost art). Nate averages just about as many offensive rebounds per game as Dooling does total rebounds.

So, you are basically calling a tweener who doesn’t rebound, pass well, or shoot a high percentage from the field a "complete player".

Dooling is the superior defender, but Nate is no slouch either. His two steals per game lends credence to the fact he is becoming peskier on the defensive end. But Dooling being the better defender doesn’t nearly make him the better player.

As for David Lee, I said he was developing a jumper, which he is. I believe we were having this conversation around preseason, and if you check the preseason shot chart for David Lee, you can see where I got my evidence. And if you watched the Pistons game you would have seen him nail a couple of midrange jumpers over Rasheed Wallace.

 

Let's trade him to the Blazers.

 

Trade him to the Knicks

 

Although he hasn't connected on his one jump shot attempt, he still has managed to put together 20 points and 10 rebounds at halftime. Very Josh Boone-esque .

 

He's also put up 17 shots in 18 minutes.

Got to love the Warriors

 

It's a shame he didn't make all his free throws, he could have had a 40/20 game.

Pretty good for a "garbage player".

 

Homie you played against the Warriors defense, you might as well have been playing the NY Liberty tonight, meanwhile like I said who created those shots for Lee, one guy take him away and you wouldn't be all rah rah about Lee's performance. Heck Harrington had 26 pts. tonight too, Fugazy had 15/9 and still w/o Chris Duhon + The Turnstile Warriors defense those players would be lucky to get 20 on a given night.

He has no jumpshot any player can hit a wide open shot in the NBA Lee doesn't have 15 - 20 ft. range he is a slasher, alley-oop and pick n' roll player. NO JUMPSHOT.

 

Harrington actually had 36 points, mostly because he was pumped to play his old team. Tim Thomas has been averaging 14/6/3 after the trade, so this wasn't an extraordinary performance for him. Plus he played well in D'Antoni's system before. And I don't care who you're playing, 40/20 is a good game against an NBA team. And Lee has been averaging 20 PPG after the Randolph trade. All of those players are capable of putting up 20 points on a given night, though they might not be 20 PPG players.

If he can hit a wide open shot, then he obviously has some semblance of a jumper. In preseason, David Lee shot 8-16 from the 15-20 ft. range.

 

I'd kind of care if I'm playing the league's joke of a defense but whatever.

If that's the case than everybody in the NBA can shoot a jumper.

 

The Warriors have played something like 15 games, but I don't remember anyone dropping 40/20 on them.

Lee's game used to only be in the paint, but this is evidence that he's augmented it. It means that if he has an open look from midrange, he has a realistic chance of knocking it down. With further practice, Lee can hit that 15-20 shot on a more consistent basis.

My point was Lee is now finding varieties of ways to score, while Boone can't score without being spoon fed a dunk/layup. Boone, on the other hand is having enough trouble as it is from 15 ft (27% from the line is easily the worst FT% in NBA history!).

 

Alright if it'll shut you up

David Lee = The White Karl Malone (Happy ?)

Who the hell said Boone was a great player, you see me putting him top anything in the league, he's an energy player likely off the bench, his game is equaled to David Lee's. Nothing great just good.And no you don't saaaaaaaay..... thanks nobody here doesn't know Boone can't hit FTs to save his life, if free throws were charity he'd be a grinch, just like nobody knew knew Lee can't defend a light post to save his life.

 

Don't put words in my mouth. Lee had a great game, but I didn't put him on a pedestal. My point is Lee is way better than Boone and this 40/20 game (something I wholeheartedly believe Boone is incapable of doing regardless who he is playing) only adds credence to this. There game is not equal as you suggest.

 

Lee did not have 40/20

 

My fault, 37 points, 21 rebounds, 3 steals.

I meant if he made his free throws, he would have had 40. It's rare considering he's usually good from the line.