This is between the two of us. BCB stay away. also how can you seriously compare kobe to mj. he won 6 titles with just scottie pippen. who else on that team was legitimately that good. dennis rodman?he just rebounds. You talk as if Scottie pippen was nothing. Scottie pippen was firstly the point foward of the team, basically the point guard. He took the load off MJ with all the ball handeling. He also was one of the best at playing D and he was the person who guarded the opposite teams best player. I think it was Stephen A smith who reminded MJ of that fact when he was asked about his attitude on D.Secondly Dennis rodman was only a rebounder? Only? In his bulls days he never dipped below 14. That is amazing consdering how he has 6-7 and was playing against guys who had several inches on him. He also played Great defense. Point nullified. they didn't need jordan to score 37 either. he was selfish but he made his teammates better. What teamates did he make better? Explain to me what teamates he mad better and then i'll rebut it. he passed when he had to and he shot when he had to. also MJ WON GAMES!!!!! remember when the bulls won 72 games? yea that's because of mj. that team wasn't that good but mj made them good.His team wasn't that good? That is the reason why they won 55 games was it and were one game off beating the eventual nba finalist. They didn't replace Micahel jordan and still succeeded. Point nullified. how many games is kobe winning? o yea his team is .500. end of discussion.That is why it took MJ 4 seasons to get his team above .500. Does that mean Micahel is crap? Absolutely no but people are such hyprocites when it comes to MJ and kobe. Kobe doesn't even know who his second option is game in and game out and still has his team at .500 which MJ couldn't do in first 3 seasons.scottie was not the greatest defender of all time. give me a break. are you serious right now? A joke? Scottie pippen is the greatest perimter defender of all time. Best defender of all time is arguable.david robinson, hakeem the dream, ewing, mutombo, even mj was a better defender than he was. MJ a better defender than Scottie pippen? Haha, you have got to be kidding me.i can't believe you really are comparing kobe with mj. kobe is nothing. watch him lose in the first round this year and show that he can't lead his team anywhere.And when did MJ win anything? Did he win anything without Scottie pippen? Did he win anything without Phil jackson? Isn't it strange that when Phil got hired, the next season the bulls won the championship? Wouldn't you think that the bulls had a great team outside of Pippen and MJ and had role players who knew how to play. When Kobe had a team that resembeled MJ'S he threepeated and it could've been longer if injuries and chemistry was better.It'll be intresting to see what you come up with.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Feb 18 2006, 04:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is between the two of us. BCB stay away. also how can you seriously compare kobe to mj. he won 6 titles with just scottie pippen. who else on that team was legitimately that good. dennis rodman?he just rebounds. You talk as if Scottie pippen was nothing. Scottie pippen was firstly the point foward of the team, basically the point guard. He took the load off MJ with all the ball handeling. He also was one of the best at playing D and he was the person who guarded the opposite teams best player. I think it was Stephen A smith who reminded MJ of that fact when he was asked about his attitude on D.Secondly Dennis rodman was only a rebounder? Only? In his bulls days he never dipped below 14. That is amazing consdering how he has 6-7 and was playing against guys who had several inches on him. He also played Great defense. Point nullified. they didn't need jordan to score 37 either. he was selfish but he made his teammates better. What teamates did he make better? Explain to me what teamates he mad better and then i'll rebut it. he passed when he had to and he shot when he had to. also MJ WON GAMES!!!!! remember when the bulls won 72 games? yea that's because of mj. that team wasn't that good but mj made them good.His team wasn't that good? That is the reason why they won 55 games was it and were one game off beating the eventual nba finalist. They didn't replace Micahel jordan and still succeeded. Point nullified. how many games is kobe winning? o yea his team is .500. end of discussion.That is why it took MJ 4 seasons to get his team above .500. Does that mean Micahel is crap? Absolutely no but people are such hyprocites when it comes to MJ and kobe. Kobe doesn't even know who his second option is game in and game out and still has his team at .500 which MJ couldn't do in first 3 seasons.scottie was not the greatest defender of all time. give me a break. are you serious right now? A joke? Scottie pippen is the greatest perimter defender of all time. Best defender of all time is arguable.david robinson, hakeem the dream, ewing, mutombo, even mj was a better defender than he was. MJ a better defender than Scottie pippen? Haha, you have got to be kidding me.i can't believe you really are comparing kobe with mj. kobe is nothing. watch him lose in the first round this year and show that he can't lead his team anywhere.And when did MJ win anything? Did he win anything without Scottie pippen? Did he win anything without Phil jackson? Isn't it strange that when Phil got hired, the next season the bulls won the championship? Wouldn't you think that the bulls had a great team outside of Pippen and MJ and had role players who knew how to play. When Kobe had a team that resembeled MJ'S he threepeated and it could've been longer if injuries and chemistry was better.It'll be intresting to see what you come up with.</div>what teammates did he make better? pretty much everyone who he played with on chicago. he definitely made scottie better along with luc longley. steve kerr too. scottie couldn't beat the knicks without mj. phil jackson is the most overrated coach in nba history. herb williams could've coached the teams he coached to championships. he had mj and scottie. kobe and shaq. i don't know why we're even doing this when we already made our points before. i never said scottie was nothing. you think since i said that he wasn't the greatest defender of all time that i think he's nothing? scottie is no doubt one of the 50 greatest and a great defender not greatest. when i said just scottie pippen i meant that there was no one else on the bulls and there wasn't. i actually believe kobes players are better than mj's slightly. odom has to take his head out of his <Censored> and play basketball. kwame can be good if he had any desire. mihm is a pretty good center. smush was playing great at the beginning of the season. don't get me wrong about kobe. yea i don't really like him but i still think he's a great player but mj is better. mj was the greatest player ever and i hated him cuz he killed the knicks and i am still saying he is the best ever.
I know I might not be able to bump in, but I'll say this:melo061, as knowledgable as you can seem towards other aspects of basketball, you are equally as biased towards Kobe. NY could throw out every point, stat, record, article in the book and you would still say Kobe is comparable to Michael. So this really isn't a fair argument.
This will go on forever, nyk hates kobe, melo loves kobe. This is the perfect example of a Kobe hater and a Kobe lover arguing. They will do it til the day they die.On the thread topic, you both lose. Because you both biased towards your opinions, and feel their over everyone elses.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Feb 18 2006, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This will go on forever, nyk hates kobe, melo loves kobe. This is the perfect example of a Kobe hater and a Kobe lover arguing. They will do it til the day they die.On the thread topic, you both lose. Because you both biased towards your opinions, and feel their over everyone elses.</div>Agreed. But feel free to argue, as it is fun to read
I am just stating that he said "just scottie pippen". Just? Scottie was one of the best side kicks you could get. A scoring option and a defensive stopper. What else do you need? A big man? Horace grant was decent. I think the bulls as a team was underrated.And lol, Phil may be overrated but there are only a few coaches who could lead that team. Not all.i actually believe kobes players are better than mj's slightlyand then this don't really like him but i still think he's a great player but mj is better. lol.edit: Who's arguing about MJ being the greatest? I surely aren't. I'm just taken a back seeing as how you said "Just" about scottie and though Dennis rodman was nothing.And if phil was nothing why didn't the lakers win anything until Phil came around?
Wait so you think MJ is the Greatest of All Time, yet you are arguing points that support that to make Kobe seem better?I don't get it
Does this little bicker have to be incased in a thread though Melo? Make your point in a thread that has a topic on this, don't start one simply because you got beef with someone's opinion. Nykfan vs. Melo is not a thread that should be in General NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Feb 18 2006, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Does this little bicker have to be incased in a thread though Melo? Make your point in a thread that has a topic on this, don't start one simply because you got beef with someone's opinion. Nykfan vs. Melo is not a thread that should be in General NBA.</div>yea this wasn't my idea it was melos. i thought it was just gonna be me and him and he made a thread. and to come back at melo, i clearly said why i said "just scottie". i meant that besides mj and scottie the team was not that good. read the post guy. i said scottie was a great player and a great defender, not the greatest.
kmart, i'm just trying to show everyone his hypocrisy. How he blames kobe for being .500 but forgets about how long it took MJ to get to .500. He blames kobe for being selfish and scoring to much under phil when the season he was hired, MJ'S ppg dipped by 1.And the team outside of the pippen and MJ was like the lakers minus Kobe and Shaq. They had a great role players like Steve kerr and John Paxson. In both 3 peats they had Horace grant who was solid. They also had one of the greatest rebounders of this era in dennis rodman.Now people dont cry and say i'm trying to say Kobe>Mj, what i'm trying to do is show you how wrong it is to think it was all Kobe and Pippen. It's like saying it was all Kobe and shaq which is wrong. Both teams were underrated especially the bulls.And you still haven't answered me, How did the bulls win 55 games without MJ? MJ took them to a championship level but he wasn't as valuable as people thought. His team didn't go to the lottery without him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 19 2006, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what are you talking about? the bulls sucked once mj left. how do you think they drafted brand?</div>Ok, i'm finished with you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Feb 19 2006, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, i'm finished with you.</div>good cuz i'm sick of arguing with you it's not getting anywhere. no matter what i say you're gonna come back with some whack comment.
I was talking about MJ's first retirment. In 1993. The season after the bulls won 55 games.I thought you knew you're basketball history
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>This is between the two of us. BCB stay away.</div> Do this via PM if you don't want other members to be involved.
