Time to bench Yi and Simmons?

Discussion in 'Brooklyn Nets' started by Claud, Dec 29, 2008.

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Bench Yi and Simmons?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    32.4%
  1. NattaNerNuttaMan

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    I'm not really a Yi fan, but I'm really starting to feel sorry for him. How much would it damage his career if he was voted onto the All-Star team, yet couldn't even stay in his team's starting lineup? I know there has been alot of flack on Yi and the All-star voting....but I'm not try to target just him...he's just the most obvious one to point out.

    Iverson, in my eyes should make way for Stucky so he can get playing time. while AI can be instant offense off the bench...that might benifit his team more.

    But sorry for getting off point. Both should be benched....Yi is just too inconsistent and doesn't play "D"
     
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  2. ffz

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    yeah that would work well... let Yi guard the other team's small forward. Give me some of what you're smoking plz!
     
  3. Himuki

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    bench that other man but keep YI! ryan andy can not shoot and can not do nething else yi shoots and gets boards with basket points!!!
     
  4. Bob-Section104

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    Agreed, 50%. Yes on RA, no on CDR.

    I'm in the "start RA camp" and the Brook Lopez argument is a very valid one. I just like Anderson's presence and hustle on the floor. He has a nose for the ball, rebounds pretty consistently. He can shoot long range but is also willing to put it on floor, or run the back cuts or find the back cutter. His awareness on the court is better than Yi's right now. I feel he'll learn and progress, where I think Yi has not been able to apply much of what he should have been learning. Both will be defensive liabilities for awhile, but RA will find ways to help the team in other ways.

    CDR did not show much with the minutes he got tonight, but I think Vince and Devin just didn't trust him enough.

    I still don't understand why Najara is not getting minutes. Sure, early on, he lost his touch with the 3. But in his meager minutes, he defended, rebounded and put the ball on the floor and had a few nice touch shots. He has a hustle mentality, something we really need right now. Not sure why he doesn't make the rotation either instead of Yi or Simmons or Hassell.

    HE CAN ACTUALLY PLAY DEFENSE!!!!!!!

    I'm happy with Hayes, but Najara should be the next forward off the bench.
     
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  6. ly_yng

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    Yi in the first half, Anderson off the bench, Najera in the second half. Works for me.
     
  7. NOMAM

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    You know what, that's not a bad idea. If Yi is a non-factor to start the game then just use Najera in the 2nd half and Yi's night is done one quarter earlier. Wouldn't mind trying it.
     
  8. CalamityX04

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    I voted No for its not a real upgrade to replace YI with RA who really hasn't been playin that well but he does hustle remains a constant aggressor which something i rather have coming off the bench. For any Game that anyone can RA had a breakout i can almost match that with the same amount with YI, believe it or not he actually had some good games but its his fault for losing, its his fault that he played less than 20 mins and doesnt see the floor while the others remain unliable for any defensive shortcomes or offensive woes...

    as for simmons, moving him out and essentially moving CDR, that will be removing a sure spot shooter in favor of an untested two guard who hasn't merrit much consideration for playing time either....

    i rather we Bench Coach Frank... can we do that instead???
     
  9. ebc

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    I say yes, bench the fucking yi, and let him play the backup c, and finally you will see who will be the best center in the nets.
     
  10. NJNetz

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    Since when is Yi a center?


    What happened to Najera? Is he out of rotation? I feel like I'm out of the loop.
     
  11. CalamityX04

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    Can we seriously bench the coach?
     
  12. Master Shake

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    Yes. Yes you can.

    Who usually plays behind Yi and Simmons?
     
  13. ly_yng

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    Anderson backs up Yi, and if neither of them is playing well Frank goes small with Hayes and Simmons/Hassel.
     
  14. YiOF

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    I voted yes, just so people can get off Yi's back. I mean appearantly, if you suck coming off the bench, it's not really your fault, it's because you are playing with bench players. Ryan Anderson hasn't played more than 10 min for last 3 games, yet people wants to see how he does in the starting line up. what happens if he struggles in the starting line up? restarting Yi would seem silly since Ryan Anderson wasn't playing well to replace Yi in the first place. Start Najera or swift won't get you championship and simply not making any sense for a rebuilding team to start career journeyman and sit 2 young players with upsides, or at least one young player with upside according to some of you. so It's asking a lot to have a struggling rookie to turn it around in the starting line up to not make the coach look silly. But hey, we all should be optimistic and hope for the best, maybe in the starting line up, Ryan Anderson will explode and start making those open shots that he's been missing. But at least it won't be Yi's fault that Nets don't go far into the playoffs this year.

    I am defending Yi is not because that I think Yi is a good player. I am only defending him when someone accuse him of being worse than he actually is. Yi is a bad defender, but not as bad as some people have mentioned. Nobody ever give him credit for being the first one back and disrupting some fast breaks, nobody ever mentions anything when he makes a good rotation or help D. I too find it unbareable watching Yi getting beat off the dribble over and over again, but how many team let that happen that many times in the same game without making any defensive adjustments? did anyone ever see the Nets send Yi help in those iso situations? Team defense is obviously not as important as Yi's individual bad defense, maybe it's Yi's fault that Nets has the worst opposing 3pt% in the league. Yi has no confidence in his offense right now, which I think it's the bigger reason that he's not getting minutes. His jump shots are not falling, and he can't make anything close to the rim either. Yi hasn't played well enough to start in the NBA, but does Nets have the right person to replace him in the starting line up? Frank seems to be in favor of the 4 small + 1 big line up, maybe Frank will start that line up, putting a struggling rookie to starting lineup doesn't quite make sense to me.
     
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    I have changed my mind about Yi starting. At first I thought he should stay in the lineup to get more playing time to develop. Now after seeing some games, I think he should come off the bench. Not because of what many here think.

    I think Yi plays more aggressive when the starting line up isnt on the court. I recall in some of blow out games where Frank had Yi in with the bench. Yi was taking shots, driving and getting to the free throw line. I think Yi needs situations where he is main option.

    A second unit of Dooling, Harris/CDR, Hassel, Yi and Boone can help Yi's confidence. I feel like when Yi is in there with Harris, VC, and Lopez he is the odd man out. With the above lineup, It is him and Harris. Dooling, Hassel, and Boone balance it the line up out with D. We have seen that the back court of Doolilng and Harris has been very effective. Add Yi for offense punch where he is the main/Second guy with Harris doing his thing. I think this will help him. Is it coincidence that Yi always steps up later in the games?

    As for Simmons, I dont think he should start. He has become a situational player. He is a spot up shooter. Hayes is more balanced and deserves to start.
     
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  16. ly_yng

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    First, I think that Jarvis Hayes is helped a lot by the "Yi effect" you mentioned, so it probably makes sense to keep him coming off the bench - Simmons' game is just more naturally complementary, while Hayes needs the ball in his hands a bit more to be effective.

    I think that's a really interesting point about Yi, and probably worth a shot. Considering how well Dooling is getting to the hole, maybe a Dooling/Yi pick-and-pop game could be really effective.
     
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    I didn't vote in the poll because I don't want to lump Yi and Simmons together. Though immensely critical of Simmons earlier in the season (and of Frank's decision to play him late in games in place of Hayes), now that Frank is in fact giving more crunch minutes to Hayes, I'm comfortable with Simmons as a starter getting 24 minutes a game or so. I would certainly welcome a trade for an upgrade, but that's another issue.

    Yi is another matter. I'm very sensitive to the issue of confidence for a young player but also to the issue of maintaining sports as the ultimate meritocracy, an enterprise where things aren't just handed to you because of your ethnicity or marketing potential or because of hopes (realistic or otherwise) that one day you'll be Dirk Nowitzki. At some point, what you do on the court in games has to arbitrate your playing time and position.

    At this point, Yi should be benched, and perhaps put out of the rotation altogether, because he is simply not producing anywhere near enough offensively to make up for his incredible defensive deficiencies, nor does he seem any longer to be progressing in those areas (which he did for the first few weeks of the season, but then his defense had nowhere to go but up). His shot, beautiful as it is in form, is all but gone for the last month in terms of accuracy. His offensive inconsistency, which started as a very manageable "good game/bad game" trend, has deteriorated into one decent (not good) game out of every 6 or 7 games. That's not tenable.

    In the end, if Yi can't psychologically stomach a benching for these justifiable reasons and respond (later this year or next) by significantly improving his play (and especially his consistency), then he will be worthless as a player anyway. If you can't be competitive on your own team, you have no hope of being competitive against others.
     
  18. Himuki

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    lol lol!! so funny!!! pretty YI!!
     
  19. furnace

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    Wow.

    For the first time ever, I agree with completely everything you just said.

    Good evaluation.
     
  20. unstop

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    Yi isn't getting his minutes cut any time soon. He is the future of Nets marketing.

    Shit.

    I mean Nets basketball.

    See what happened there? I meant to say Yi is the future of Nets basketball, but I accidentally said he's the future of Nets marketing. How silly of me, a freak error on my part. My bad.
     

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