Pacers @ Warriors

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  1. Mr. J

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    How are you guys liking my boy Crawford? Beautiful clutch 3-point bucket to seal the deal against Pacers.

    He finishes with 32/5/5.
     
  2. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    He's a great 4th quarter scorer. Definitely more reliable in the clutch than Mags.

    We were lucky that Dunleavy and Diener missed some pretty good looks. Dunleavy pretty much looked like how he shot for the warriors on that last shot of his before Diener. It went wide right or wide left (Not even f-ing close!).
     
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    I just caught the tail end of this one. Crawford was awesome. Dunleavy still sucks in Oaktown.
     
  4. Clif25

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    I guess he had an awesome game. I only saw the end as well, which was mostly Granger's 3 to put the Pacers up by 1, then Crawford's counter 3 to put the Warriors back up 2, and the remaining seconds after those plays. Next game I bet he will go 2-11 and score 6 points. No, but he has been really inconsistent. The Warriors are better when he is in there ready to play and doing things on the court.

    That missed 3 for Dunleavy was probably the best play he's ever made for the Warriors. j/k.

    Nice to at least get a win. Home sweet home?
     
  5. xplicitjc

    xplicitjc cold as a hooker's heart

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    dunleavy got boo'd pretty much everytime he touched the ball, and the crowd even started chanting "dunleavy sucks" at one point...didn't expect that.

    the crowd even boo'd maggette a few times...

    it was like philadelphia or something, i kinda liked it hahah

    and props to the w's for not fucking a game up down the stretch for once...kudos.
     
  6. HiRez

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    Yeah, they played a good game for once, but I'm still puzzled why the first half's most effective, energizing player (Randolph) never saw the floor again. Is that Nellie yanking on the leash to remind the dog who the master is?
     
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  7. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Well the unit that was in played pretty well in the second half. Remember they made a nice comeback in the third quarter after being down by 8 pts (IIRC) at half.
     
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    I went to a GSW vs. Pacer game last year and Dunleavy got booed pretty badly. Last night wasn't the first time he's seen that in Oakland? Wasn't he getting booed a little bit even before he got traded?

    That's funny about the crowd booing Maggette. Maybe it will make him notice that we are watching him - maybe unlike some other teams that he's been on. Who knows. He's been playing decently though - at least statistically showing.
     
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    He's been better than earlier in the year, but he's still making some really horrible, lazy passes, and taking contested 3-pointers when he's the worst 3-point shooter in the NBA, and just those long telegraphed turnaround jumpers off no ball movement which never seem to fall for him. When he sticks to what he's good at (driving and getting fouled, posting up mismatches), he's great. And that's just the offense, he gets torched on defense constantly. Right off the top of my head I can think of at least 3 times last night he got blown by or caught napping, and he didn't close on outside shooters well either.
     
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    Well said. I don't think there's a less valuable 20/5 player in the NBA than Maggette.
     
  11. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    If mags stopped shooting the Dunleavy 3 and try hard on D like he did he'd be an all right player. (note: he tried hard, but he's not a very "aware" defender, but the effort was there at least).

    I thought I heard the fans chanting "Dunleavy sucks", but they seemed like only a few in the crowd. Besides, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Our team sucks and we have little to boast about. Belinelli getting hurt definitely makes the heart sink because he was actually fun to watch. Very smart player and he makes some really nice off-balance shots.
     
  12. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Mags has his strong points though. If Nellie structures his offense so Mags doesn't have to shoot these awful 3's of his, we'd be okay. He's so inconsistent whenever he takes outside shots, but when he takes it inside he's amazing. He gets fouls on every play almost and he's strong enough to get and1's.

    How many guys do that in this league going 6 or more times to the foul line per game with a different move every play? The only other guy we have like that is Monta Ellis, but he's not a 83% foul shooter. If we had to rely on Azubuike's creativity to do the same role, we'd never get any inside game going because he doesn't get calls, he's not as strong/polished as Maggette, and he's a horrible shot from the foul line consistency-wise. I also think Maggette is a better midrange shooter than most of the guys on the team, excluding Monta Ellis and possibly Sjax. I just wish we'd use more screens and have guys come off and hit pull up midrange shots rather than taking long bombs and having the team run it back on us. It's our long misses and fail to get the rebound or get back in time that kills us.

    I think Mags is fine for the role he's playing, but unfortunately Don Nelson has been relegated to playing him at PF because the front office didn't build a deep enough team big-man wise and also because they didn't develop or pick good young big players. I mean waiving 6'9, 240-250 lb Richard Hendrix was not smart IMO. Could have used the guy now that Wright is injured and Turiaf sacrifices rebounding for shotblocking and is not a good matchup for athletic power forwards like Chris Wilcox or Nene.

    It's not a knock against Turiaf, though. He's the only one strong enough to really play the post well. When they run the ball into his hands, it can cause double teams provided that Turiaf went to work early and got position down low.
     
  13. Doctor Kajita

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    I've been one of Maggette's harshest critics, but we won last night, didn't we? He had a lot of bad turnovers and that could have well cost us the game, but his scoring has been coming within the flow of the game and he's taking less shots to get those points too. Defense is another story, but as HiRez said, he's been better than earlier in the year. Let's re-evaluate him in a couple more weeks as he is just coming off an injury and during that time, the team had adopted the increased ball movement. Maybe Maggette will buy into all of this with success...or not.
     
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    Yeah, small-ball has really devalued a lot of players this season. At the same time, the players have not played small-ball very well either.

    What are the chances we can sign Hendrix to a 10-day given all the injuries?
     
  15. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Yeah, Mags doesn't seem to have good court awareness at times. But he's amazing scorer. Barnett pointed out something I noticed. He's got a lot of go-to moves and an excellent feel for contact. It's like when Chris Bosh, Paul Pierce, or Shareef Abdur Rahim try to "feel" for where the defender will be and draw the contact in the act of shooting. Ellis also has that quality too. So if any of these guys can accelerate, pivot, turn, pull up and shoot while staying under control, it makes these guys nearly impossible to defend because you can't play them too close.

    I'd name other superstars as well, but I think the refs give them unfair advantage: see Lebron, Kobe, Yao, etc.
     
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    I like your optimism, DK :cheers: Usually I am an optimist, too (just see how much I rave about our D-leaguer Morrow). But in this case...I dunno - I just don't have that much faith in Maggette. Yes we won, but not because of Maggette. He had 14 points on 4-10 shooting, but the guy had 5 turnovers and 5 personal fouls. Also, he caused about 3 or 4 other turnovers, for his own team, on stuff like bad passes that Turiaf just couldn't handle.

    Not only was he careless with the ball, dude also played atrocious defense. How about Granger on the wide open running dunk, straight down the lane, late in the 4th quarter? I figured someone set a nasty screen or something. So I rewound the play... only to see that it was Maggette who was supposed to be guarding Granger, and it was Maggette who just stood there :dunno: and let Granger walk right by him, and then all the way to the rim for the dunk, lol! This during 4th quarter crunch time.

    Actually, IMO we almost lost because of Maggette's careless play. Yet, somehow he plays 36 minutes, and the whole second half over Randolph, who played SO much better than just about any other Warrior during his minutes. Again, another one of these emotes :dunno:
     
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    Maggette may be the worst passer I've ever seen from a guard (or perhaps from any position) in the NBA. He makes some of the worst passes.
     
  18. Run BJM

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    Agree with you and CR here. Hes actually been good since coming back from the injury and being put in a 6th man role. Still makes crappy passes and TOs but I do love how he pressures the defense and gets to the FT line. Its not even just the FTs its getting into the bonus, getting the other teams' players in foul trouble, creating space for shooters on the perimeter, etc. His rebounding has been pretty good as well. I don't like playing him at PF but I do like what hes been doing as a 6th man. That being said, we're paying him way too much to be a 6th man and we're getting similar production from Azu at a fraction of the price. Mags has got to go but for now I do like what hes doing for us off the bench.
     
  19. xplicitjc

    xplicitjc cold as a hooker's heart

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    as long as maggette never shoots a jumper, i'm happy. even though when he doesn't get a whistle on the drive, most of his shots are rediculous, i'm still not really upset. he's good at getting to the line, and he's good at sinking the FTs. soo, yeah i agree, as long as he's driving and not shooting J's, i'm ok with him. EXCEPT, he makes some of the shittiest passes i've ever seen. at least jax will throw a pretty pass for every hideous one, but maggette doesn't even look like he's trying on his passes half the time.
     
  20. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Maggette's passes are pretty bad especially when he tries to drive and kick. His intention is to penetrate, get fouled, but when the defenses back off and he sometimes kicks out and throws the ball to the other team.

    Thanks, Maggs!
     

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