Can Bosh fit in an up-tempo team?

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Can Bosh play uptempo basketball?

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  1. Chutney

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    I think that has to be the biggest question going forward, no? While the rest of the team looks like they've taken the challenge of playing at a faster pace, Bosh simply looks out of sync. Against the Knicks on Sunday, he was completely ineffective. While his teammates would push up the ball and make a few quick passes to find a quality look, all that work was pointless once they tried involve Bosh. He went back to his old habits of sizing up his defender for 4-5 seconds and, in those instances, we saw the usual "4 people standing and watching" routine. You could say its because he's still coming back from his injury, and that's a plausible explanation, but the fact is this isn't something new in his game. He's played under Sam Mitchell's simplistic half-court offense for almost all of his career, and he's become used to getting the ball at the elbow and doing his own thing for however long he wanted.

    It's going to be a significant challenge for him to break those habits and become more decisive with the ball (like his teammates). I wonder if he'll actually be able to adapt.
     
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    fuck bosh? who cares about him? his a goner, hopefully BC trades his this off season for someone that has the ability to play fast, maybe a David lee or Zach Randolph (i dont mean the specifically) i just cant think of a big man other then them and Amare to fit a up tempo style. I do believe Randolph would be awesome in raptors but he has a ridicolous contract!
     
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    Dude, Randolph and uptempo do not match at all.
     
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    But i think he has lost alot of his young speed and grace because of his injuries, so i say no.
     
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    I'll add, he do it every once and awhile ala an All-Star game but maintaining it is a No, unless him maintaining it means he is playing only 50 games.
     
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    I personally think he has the capability to play within such a system. But it'll take a significant adjustment to what he's grown accustomed to. As it is right now, he makes good moves to the basket. The problem is that he takes so long to make those moves that the opposing defenders have already adjusted and made it tougher for him to execute. He's making it harder on himself by being so indecisive with the ball. He needs to make reads before he gets the ball and follow through on them immediately after the pass. You see Bargnani already beginning to do this, because he was never a go-to option when Smitch was coach, and thus couldn't be tainted.

    Whether or not he makes that adjustment is another thing completely, and that's where I'm undecided on this question. It'll take a level of self-reflection and awareness that I don't think Bosh has shown yet. Having a competent veteran coach for once could make this so much easier.
     
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    With Bosh AND Calderon we're never going to be a great uptempo team. They're not the quickest decision makers in the world, neither are good or consistent defenders, both are very safe passers, and seem to need their minutes limited in order to run full out (Calderon hasn't really ran full out since Ford went down to injury). Ford was much more of an uptempo guy and we traded him for another half court player in JO. Just because we traded for Marion, doesn't necessarily mean we're trying to commit to uptempo, imo.

    I think the team is trying to be as well balanced as possible. I think they want to run, but not all the time. As the team is balanced, I doubt they'll ever be a full uptempo team, and I'm not even sure that is the plan.
     
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    Thats why he blossomed in D'antonie's offense? the guy avg 21 pts and 13 rebs in that system!
    To be specific he played 35 mins, shot 7.5/17.2 (44%) from the floor, shot 5.0/6.1 (82%) from the line, grabbed 12.5 rebs while scoring 21 pts, also had 1.4 ast and 1.2 stls per game. I think thats good enough evidence to show that he can play up-tempo style better then bosh!
     
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    Bosh scores all of his points from isolation and the pick and roll. He used to score more on the fast break but not so much these days.

    I don't think Bosh and Calderon are suited to up-tempo, and I don't think playing up-tempo is at all important in any case.
     
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    Calderon could run an up-tempo system (except he cant pass the ball very well if he were to be quick unlike TJ ford). Bosh is very slow hold on to the ball for very long and simply cant play fast thats why ever since Triano has been the coach bosh hasn't done shit! Bargs has been takin over games.
     
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    I didn't mean to suggest that we're aiming to become a full-fledged fast-paced team. But it's clear to me that we're moving away from the halfcourt offense of Sam Mitchell and trying to incorporate styles that can generate shot attempts quicker. And I think its the right move. We've seen two and a half years of slow-it-down, pick-and-roll, isolation-heavy offense, and it just becomes too predictable down the stretch. The question then becomes whether Bosh can adjust to a system that doesn't cater solely to him, like Smitch's did. I guess looking at the fast-break issue is really a way for me to approach that much broader question.
     
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    LOL, I just noticed speeds .gif. Awesome.
     
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    I don't know. I think he needs to be a part of a 1-2 punch (Like Pierce/Garnett or Kobe/Gasol) to reach his full potential. Basically, I think he just needs someone to create for him if we're going to run more. If we're building a team of 5 good starters with Bosh needing to run and share more, I don't think he's the best fit. Might need to move Bargnani to the 4 and get Horford or Bynum so that we at least get more fast break opportunities while improving our defense. I think we'll continue to see him slowly become more decisive, but i think he's still far away from ever being as quick to react as Marion is.
     
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    He's been very decisive with the ball tonight against Minnesota, for what it's worth.
     
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    Chris Bosh as definitely have the Basketball IQ to ajust to an up-temp system. It will take him time just like it will take Calderon time to ajust to that type of Basketball. He just needs to get that "jumpshooter" attitude off his mind. But I think seeing how succesfull Marion and Bargnani will be in this type of system it will start rubbing off on him in a postitive way. Just to add to Calderon he can also be succesfull in an up-tempo system...he just needs to start taking more risks.
     

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