Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gordon

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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Yowza, this sucks. Losing one of your best players for the last 5 years sucks. John Salmons at SG sucks. Not being able/willing to sign someone to replace BG sucks.

    After the Miller/Salmons trade, we played like a 50 win team until the end of the playoffs, and with lots of young talent. I'm not sure where this development takes us, but I think right now we're a middling team that struggles to make the playoffs in the EC.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    This is what I call throwing around a whole lot of money, for nothing. Ben Gordon and Charlie V are not going to win you anything Detroit (titles), sorry, you guys wasted your money. Now the Pistons will have the same trouble the Bulls have had over the past couple of years with a terrible undersized backcourt. Congrats BG for finally getting his payday, even though it is less than the Bulls offered each of the past two off season, but hey cutting your loses right. Peace out.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Actually the Pistons back court wont be undersized because Stuckey is 6'5 and Hamilton is like 6'7, so if gordan starts they wont be really undersized.

    And who can we sign that can fill the post up void? I'm not tryin to watch two rookie big men develop...AGAIN. But this does help because with gordon gone Rose can flurish more because he'll have the ball in his hands more.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Hamilton is six seven but weighs about as much as Patrick Swayze does these days, and is just about as physical as well, this is one of the huge reasons there defense suffered so much when they brought in AI, although realistically this move probably means he is gone. As far as Stuckey, to me, the man has yet to prove his worth in the league will he be a star? Who knows...

    I don't know for me it seems like teams that are signing FAs this off season are just doing it for the headlines. Gordon (despite his clutch factor), Charlie V, Hedo, etc. do these players really deserve all this money. I mean excluding Gordon I can't picture any of these guys with the ball in the closing moments of a final game or even being the second best player on a squad that reaches an NBA final. IMHO.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    First off, congrats to BG on getting life changing money and being a fine citizen and a guy who deserves it.

    On the other hand, anybody who can't see that the bulls will almost automatically be better on defense without having to try and hide an undersized guard doesn't know the game. Similarly, if Salmons plays at the same or close to the same level he did this year and Deng can play at his non-injured level (a pretty big if, I admit), the bulls can't help but be better offensively with Rose as the primary playmaker. Rose showed he has a mid range jumper, and more importantly, can consistently get to the rim, something BG couldn't do. And Rose could easily average 8-10 assists with a 3-1 ast/TO ratio.

    It remains to be seen obviously, but I don't see the Pistons paying BG that kind of money without playing him big minutes. I also don't see the Pistons having the kind of shotblockers behind BG to cover up his deficiencies. And I don't see a distributor, or even a real leader on that team anymore, so I don't see the chemistry developing right away unless they make a tremendous coaching hire, and that guy might not even be out there for the Pistons to hire.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Dude, Hedo consistently had the ball in his hands in the closing moments for Magic. He murdered quite a few teams with game winning shots...and he was the 2nd best player on his team, that went to the finals. Please tell me I'm reading this statement wrong somebody...
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    I'm thinking we lose more on offense than we gain on D. And even if we are a bit better, that doesn't make us top 4 in the East. Too bad we still don't have BG and have the ability to improve b/c we have Salmons for a full season, Rose a year older and Deng hopefully healthier.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    dumars is setting himself and his team up the best he can to win an nba title and if that means trading players such as rip or tayshaun to get a player like amare bosh or another max lvl free agent then its worth it... even if he traded hamilton and prince, he could still have stucky at 6'5 gordon at like 6'2 austin daye, charlie v and whoever they choose to sign... these next 2 years in detroit will bring some big changes... hopefully they can get some picks in the lottery after next season to set themselves up good for the future..
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    This was the dumbest crap ever. After receiving the Pistons offer, Gordon's agent called the Bulls, to give them a chance to match, and the Bulls said they were not going to extend a contract offer to Gordon. Gar Forman has been lying ever since he took over the GM spot, saying that it's a goal to bring Gordon back. It obviously wasn't a goal if you didn't even extend a contract offer.

    KC Johnson said something bad went down last night, that pretty much guaranteed Gordon would be a Piston. Not sure if that meant in the initial phone conversation Gar/Dorf said something stupid, or if it was something like a trade...say Hinrich to the Blazers, that fell through.

    This is what is going to happen. The Bulls are going to let all their expiring contracts expire. Not re-sign Tyrus Thomas (can't keep Thomas and still get a max free agent), and then sign Joe Johnson for the max next summer. Book it.

    Joe Johnson really isn't any better than Gordon. He scored 0.7 pts more per a game last year, but on a much less efficiency. For their careers, Gordon has a better D-Rtg, and somehow, Gordon even managed to have more career defensive win shares, despite playing 225 less games than Johnson.

    We will pretty much be losing Gordon, Tyrus, and the ability to leverage our $25 million in expiring contracts in exchange for Joe Johnson, who is a marginal upgrade at best....and we will be paying the guy twice as much as Gordon.

    This team's hopeless.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Ben Gordon isn't a Piston yet because no deals can be made official until the 8th. We have a shot at keeping BG, but if we managed to keep Gordon; I don't know if we could go for a big name in 2010. It's really up in the air as far as Gordon is concerned.

    It's one thing if Gordon just wants to leave the Bulls, and that's fine. But it would be great if Gordon allows us to counter offer that deal with something slightly more appealing.


    "Update: Gordon has agreed to a five-year deal with Detroit believed to be worth more than $50 million, the Associated Press reports.
    Analysis: Nothing can be made official until next week, so this news is from an anonymous source. If it holds up to be true, Gordon will become the Pistons' shooting guard while Rip Hamilton figures to be traded elsewhere this summer."

    http://www.nba.com/fantasy/fantasy_playernews.jsp?date=07/01/09&type=news#ben_gordon

    I wouldn't mind to having Gordon back because of his confidence and scoring, but I won't die if we can't sign him...there are plenty of scorers in this league that can play better defense, pass the ball, get out of double teams and handle the ball better than Gordon. Not that Gordon doesn't have the potential, but he just needs to get better in other areas of his game before he can ask for BIG money.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    People are criticizing Detroit's moves, but I think Dumars is doing what he has to do to rebuild that team. With AI/Billups gone, with Wallace gone, with McDyess gone, they have a lot of needs. Addressing two by signing the best big man available and the best scorer available is hardly unreasoned. 21.4 PPG career scorers who are durable and are clutch players aren't plentiful; Dumars got himself a winner. Villanueva needs to play the 4, and he'll get his chance. He's proven to be no slouch of a player. Without any other real proven bigs, Detroit will have to play Amir Magic Johnson or play small ball, and they'll do fine with three guys who can put the ball in the basket with regularity plus Prince.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    We only bring Gordon back if Jerry Reinsdorf dies or sells the team and he Pistons franchise folds in the next 6 days. So don't hold your breath.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    The only place the bulls will be noticeably worse on offense is the "down by double digits with 3 minutes left and BG makes it a respectable 6 point loss" situations. That's it. Hinrich and Salmons shot the same percentage from 3, and Rose is a humongous improvement as a playmaker. If Tyrus and Noah show up in shape and playing like they did at the end of the season, this team has homecourt advantage in the first round of the playoffs.

    And if Tyrus and Noah don't show up ready to play, it wouldn't matter if BG was still on the team or not. But better perimeter defense will make it easier on the frontcourt.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Salmons didn't make it 20 games with the Bulls AND GORDON without suffering a pulled groin. Good luck with him making it the whole season a year older and the only offensive weapon we have outside of Rose.

     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Source: ESPN
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    well said but i dont think they will keep rip or tayshaun... i think theyre gonna be big trade bait this season while dumars trys to improve cap room even more for next year
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Except for offering him basically the same deal two years ago... Ben was ready to leave. If he wanted to be in Chicago he could have stayed. Gar Forman wasn't the only guy putting a nice spin on his intentions.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    Didn't they get rid of Amir about two weeks ago in the SA/Milwaukee deal?
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    They didn't offer him the same deal two years ago.

    $54M over 6 years is not the same as $55M over 5 years.

    Do the math.

    And no way Gordon could have stayed. At least not after the Bulls pulled their offer to him at the deadline last year. With $1M in LT space, no way in hell Reinsdorf would pay the $20M+ in salary+tax+loss of their share of the overall penalty money to keep him.

    Two other things are quite clear. The very second Gordon became UFA, a team jumped at his price. The very second he became UFA, he was outta here, like any smart player would.

    Gordon never asked for MAX contract type money. He wanted the respect shown him as the team's best player, simply to be the highest paid on the Bulls. The Bulls set the bar at Deng's and Hinrich's salaries. They're losers.
     
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    Re: Wojnarowski: The Pistons have reached deal in principle with Bulls guard Ben Gord

    They surely did.

    For Oberto, who'll not be playing for Detroit either.
     

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