Glenn Beck Histrionics Backfiring

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  1. deception

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...too-right-wing-even-for-fox-news-1774049.html


     
  2. Denny Crane

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    Squash speech.

    That's the path to totalitarianism.
     
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    james baldwin often wrote of the great responsibility of liberty- beck's speech is hateful and i see no difference between what he says and what a white supremacist like james von braun would say. however, lll echo voltaire famous words "i disapprove of what u say but i will defend your right to say it". and btw- obama isnt censoring the beck's speech, its corporations shying away from a certifiable lunatic. and mr crane- i dont know where u resided in the last 8 years but countless professors were muzzled because they dared to criticize bush's admin.
     
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    It wasn't hate speech and it wasn't racist.

    If anyone who saw racism and called it out was treated this way, there'd be nobody doing anything about it.
     
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    "he hates white ppl and white culture"
     
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    Some things are just inappropriate and Beck has crossed the line a number of times. He lies and he promotes hate. FOX should pull him altogether.

    None the networks have anyone quite like Beck on the air.
     
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    Racial, not racist.

    I don't think he's right, but Obama did jump to a quick conclusion (as you did) about that cop who arrested the professor. And that is ALL that Beck was talking about. Racist would mean he thinks Obama is inferior to human beings because of his skin color.

    Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, and a whole host of others promote hate. I've never seen ANYONE spew more hate than Olbermann.
     
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    when did u become the final arbitrator on race relations?

    the rhetoric beck used about obama hating white ppl and white culture is the exact same rhetoric used historically by white supremacists groups who believe jews and blacks are conspiring against them. nevertheless, as aforementioned- i believe beck should have a right to say it but corporations can direct their advertising dollars away from this bigots show.
     
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    And you jump to conclusions based upon two sentences he said in a speech that was 10 minutes long.

    You cannot deny Obama admitted he didn't have the facts and took the side of the black man against the white man. You, like he, jumped to the wrong conclusion. Not unexpected.

    But I did say I thought Beck was wrong. There is reverse racism, sure. Was this a case of it? Not at all clear cut. I would believe the more likely explanation that Obama was siding with a friend, someone he knew and didn't expect bad behavior from.
     
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    Free speech doesn't mean all speech is valued equally. Saying stupid things will inevitably lead to consequences. In this case, it meant that people didn't want to associate with him or his program. I'm not sure I agree with your implication that Beck is being suppressed/victimized.
     
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    why is it always about me? beck is a racist and worse- a liar for profit. the dude connected healthcare reform to reparations. and just because u think i sympathized with the wrong party doesnt make u right- it merely means we see the issue differently.

    let me reiterate my position- the responding officer allowed his ego to get in the way of policing by arresting professor gates who did nothing wrong and certainly posed no threat to anyone. and in the historical context of poor relations between law enforcement and black ppl- i totally understand prof. gates reaction. but it isnt about president obama, prof gates or sgt crowley- its about dudes like glenn beck manipulating these divisive issues for their personal gain (e.g higher ratings).

    i dont know if u caught the clip but a republican congressmen was confronted belligerently by beck viewers who referred to obama as a socialist and the exasperated congressmen finally had to tell his constituents to turn their television sets off

    conservatives like u need to summarily dismiss beck or else your country will be polarized and history will condemn u.
     
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    Olbermann and Maddow are no where near as bad as Glenn Beck. I've watched all three before and the extremes just don't compare. The two liberals do their best to make smart ass comments most of the time and Maddow is very sarcastic on her own right. Actually she's so sarcastic it's annoying.

    Even Hannity and O'Reily don't go as far as Beck. Hannity implies things all the time, but never really crosses the line and says it straight out. I'm talking about Obama being a terrorist type of deal with Hannity. He'll air all kinds of stuff, but he won't quite go as far to say it straight out as far as I know at least. He approaches the line, but not quite across it. Plus, I think half of his stuff is purposely done to appeal to the nuts just so he can gain ratings.

    Haninty = KO

    O'Reily just pretends to be moderate the whole time.

    Beck is in a world of his own. He has no problem calling Obama a racist or making up Obama panels and camps. He scares people over and over. The guy is kind of crazy. He's a sinking ship waiting to happen. Imus screwed up once and was fired because of his comments and rightfully so. The same will happen to Beck and these companies have every right not to run their adds on something that will eventually hurt them down the road.

    Personally, I think news organizations should be held accountable for the people they put on the air. MSNBC and FOX lead the way, but ratings talk and no way will either drop any of the names I just said.
     
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    Not a Hannity fan. I don't see anything he says or does as hateful though. Highly partisan, sure. I found Alan Colmes to be highly partisan, too. For the most part, they both sound like they're repeating (and repeating and repeating) their political party's talking points.

    I used to watch MSNBC nearly 100% of the time. I can't stomach all the negativity and hate coming from the channel anymore. I try to watch Hardball once in a while.

    CNN's no better. During the political campaign to tie Iraq to Bush and make the war as much a failure as possible, they only found guests who opposed the war, especially of the military kind. Even MSNBC had military experts who talked about strategy for winning.

    [video=youtube;jAAHMDpk7Ik]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHMDpk7Ik[/video]
     
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    I've actually watched those channels less and less as I've visited this site's political discussions more and more. So many source articles/reports get posted here and the discussion (most of the time) is usually more responsible and rational than TV ones. Those networks' formula involves either people from one extreme perspective agreeing with one other, or two caricatures from opposing ends of the spectrum bashing heads with another and reaching no conclusions. I get nothing from either. I occasionally watch BBC News and I like Fareed Zakaria's show on CNN, but that's about it.
     
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    that dude who spoke at the rally is my new hero. as for cnn connecting bush to iraq- it was his war and who did u expect them to tie it to? joe biden? cnn is as middle of the road as your going to get and that might be their problem because ppl love sensational journalism these days (i.e. fox news). for instance when TO argues with his quarterback- they want their journalists camped outside his house looking for a startled quote. its the intellectual dulling of america.

    remember nixon got elected to stop military intervention in indo china and the democrats were largely blamed for the protracted war. it works both ways and if u realize that u might sound more reasonable.
     
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    On my lunch break so I'll just cherry pick this...will respond in full later.

    Ever think that maybe the only reason you think that way is because as a liberal, you agree more with Maddow and Olbermann? Glenn Beck isn't racist and SOME things he has to say are intelligent and dead on, somethings not so much but no ones perfect.
     
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    Since you'll be expounding on this post later, how about bringing up those "intelligent" and "dead on" things instead of summarily dismissing the poster's credibility?
     
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    Only Liberal alive who's hero is Jack Bauer :)

    I really don't label myself anything. I have liberal views and I have conservative views. I don't care what I am. I voted for Obama because one party stunk for eight years and one party in charge for too long is always a bad thing in my opinion. In 2012, I could see myself voting for Mitt Romney. I hope he's the republicans nominee. I don't know what will come of everything that's going on though. I'm willing to wait and see. I'm thinking voting republican for Wisconsin's governor.

    I do watch all the news networks on occasion. I like Shep Smith a lot. I think he's great for FOX. Chris Matthews is good as long as he doesn't talk about Obama. When he does he shows his love for him to much and you can't get anything. CNN to me has calmed down quite a bit. They seem to be repositioning themselves now that MSNBC has taken over the left viewer. They're clearly going for a ratings fix, but I don't see the extremes that FOX or MSNBC show on their network any longer.

    I actually can't stand Rachel Maddow and I think she, KO, Hannity, and Beck shouldn't be on television reporting news. Like I said, Maddow annoys me because she's so sarcastic the whole show especially when she actually gets someone who's not liberal to appear on her show.

    I do enjoy Olbermann and Dan Patrick when they're giving highlights though.
     
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    u want to convert her dont u?
     
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    I think Maddow is just one genetic abnormality or two away from being normal. She has good bone structure and her face is quite symmetrical. She would make an attractive woman.

    That is all, gotta go cook up some more meth. And listen to some Skynyrd. My Dukes of Hazzard alarm clock is telling me it is late, gotta go to bed. In my Nascar racecar bed. Oh crap, just remembered I gotta get some oil for the four wheelers and the turkey fryer.

    Hey, my single wide just shook to its foundation...err, wheels. Must have been a sign from six pound eight ounce baby Jesus. Remember, if you aren't first...you're last. (ricky bobby)
     

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