Who's a Bigger Idiot?

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Who's a bigger idiot?

  1. Michael Crabtree

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  2. Vince Young

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  1. rocketeer

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    yes, absolutely. kerry collins is complete garbage as a qb. he's worthless.

    did you happen to pay attention at all to vince young's rookie season? who was the qb who was winless and who was the guy who led the team to the playoffs?

    we aren't talking about the past of kerry collins. we're talking about him currently. he's garbage. no reason to pretend otherwise. vince young is the better player. he can do all of the nothing that collins can do as well as make plays himself.

    vince young didn't lose any season to "personal strife". he lost a season to a dumbass team.

    and the whole "never won" thing is ridiculous. he led them to the playoffs his rookie year. then he led them to the playoffs again. and then he would have done it again except he was injured(people tend to forget about that) and collins was given his spot.
     
  2. TheBeef

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    In the two seasons you claim that VY "led" the Titans to the playoffs, he threw 20 TDs and 30 Interceptions....that isnt leading a team anywhere....that is a good team overcoming the limitations of a bad QB....The kid has had one below average season(2199 yards, 12 TDS, 13 INTs) and the kids has had one bad season(2546 yards, 9 TDS, 17 INTs), and now hes had a season in which he threatened to quit football, and then kill himself and had to be removed from the starting lineup because of it....Unless you can show some evidence of Vince Young playing QB well in the NFL, the argument is pretty much over and you got crushed....until you can show me some real evidence, outside of your man crush, you might want to hold off on ordering him a bust for the Hall of Fame....tag, your it, commence spewing ignorant statements
     
  3. Lost One

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    I think it's absolutely absurd for anyone to call Kerry Collins a garbage quarterback and then turn around to defend someone like Vince Young. Collins is nothing special, obviously. But at the very least he takes care of the football. I can't see how anyone could call Vince Young a better quarterback especially after looking at his stats. In two years as a starter he's thrown 13 and 17 interceptions. That's horrible. His quarterback rating was 67% and 71%. Compare that to Kerry Collins starting for the Titans last year, he put up more yards than Young ever has and had a rating of 80%. He eclipses Young in every category statistically, including touchdowns thrown. Not to mention the most important thing, only 7 interceptions, which is great considering the amount Young has thrown, practically double the amount. Collins is not as flashy as Vince Young could be, but he takes care of the football, which is one of the most crucial aspects of an NFL quarterback, something Vince Young is terrible at doing.

    I admit Young was fun to watch. His rookie year was impressive, if all you watch are Sportscenter highlights. Young is athletic and flashy, but his quarterback skills are absolutely terrible. As Beef mention, his team won despite having him at QB. You cannot put up the numbers Young did at quarterback and then be credited towards helping a team win.

    Young also has a shit load of personal issues, as Beef has already alluded to. As a starting quarterback, you should be one of the leaders on the team, one of the players the offense looks up to. Collins at the very least, is a veteran who can command the respect of his teammates on the field. How the hell would anybody respect Vince Young after he walked away from the team, threatened to kill himself, and contemplated retirement after a season or so in the NFL? Not to mention his quarterback skills are absolute crap.

    If Vince Young really is so special, he'd prove it in camp and regain his starting spot instead of mouthing off like an idiot by saying he will make the Hall of Fame, and be the next black quarterback to win the Superbowl.
     
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  4. rocketeer

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    vince young is better than kerry collins. period. that isn't really saying much, since kerry collins is terrible.

    and it's nice of you to completely ignore the other things vince young brings to the table. not really surprising based on your ignoring vince's history anyway but oh well.

    oh and you do realize that vince young lost his starting job due to injury, right?

    the titans are stupid because they are playing a worse player with no future over a better player who could have a huge future. well that and trying to change vince's game to take away his strengths just like every other team tries to do with a "running" qb.
     
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    really? have you read anything i said?

    i said that vince young can do all the nothing that collins does and can do some more as well. that's hardly high praise for vince young.
     
  6. Lost One

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    What more can he do? Run a little bit and throw twice the amount of interceptions?

    Kerry Collins had a better season last year than Vince Young ever had.
     
  7. rocketeer

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    vince's rookie year was better.

    and yes, running, avoiding pressure, making plays to win games on his own, converting crucial 3rd downs with his legs. things like that are the more that he can do.
     
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    I would rather have a qb that dont throw a INT myself...
     
  9. Lost One

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    ^ yeah, most people would prefer that. Including Jeff Fisher, who has coached in the NFL for 14 years.

    Along with throwing 13 and 17 interceptions. Sorry, I'd rather have a quarterback who does his job. Takes care of the ball and run the offense, rather than somebody who can scramble out of the pocket, along with throwing an interception every game and threatening to retire from football.
     
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    Well, Kerry Collins hasn't been anything special, but at least he's taking care of the football.

    Vince Young, who is fighting for the starting job, has looked like utter garbage in preseason so far. His play so far has done nothing but prove to me why he is a garbage quarterback, and why he doesn't deserve to start.
     
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    does preseason mean anything?
     
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    Preseason means something to Vince Young if he's trying to regain his starting spot, which belongs to Collins and rightfully so. He once again affirmed that he is garbage and cannot take care of the football. He's certainly done a good job trying to convince his coaches and teammates that he should lead the team after threatening to retire and commit suicide. (sarcasm)

    And this is coming from the same idiot who guaranteed he will be in the HOF and will be the next black quarterback to lead his team to the Superbowl this summer.
     
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    really? i haven't been paying attention to preseason at all because it means nothing, but it's not that hard to take two seconds and check some stats. vince has thrown 2 ints in 33 attempts. collins has thrown 2 ints in 30 attempts. if the preseason has affirmed that vince is garbage and can't take care of the football, what has it said about collins who has been worse?
     
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    Not that I think preseason stats are all that meaningful, but Kerry Collins is working against NFL 1st team defenses while Vince Young is struggling against guys that will be making Slurpees and bagging your groceries in a few weeks....its really not a good comparison....
     
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    Preseason matters for guys who are battling for a roster spot, or a starting position on a team. Kerry Collins was the starter for the Titans last year, and rightfully so. He had one bad game (where he threw 2 interceptions), but that doesn't matter, because in Collin's case, he has already proven that he can take care of the football in the regular season. Vince Young has done the exact opposite, and he once again reaffirmed the fact that he is a horrible quarterback and doesn't deserve to start on a winning team.
     
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    of course another way to look at it is that collins is working against guys who have nothing to play for except to avoid injury while vince young is playing against guys going all out trying to make a team.

    but really, it's preseason and means nothing.
     
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    oh ok. ignore that the taking care of the ball stats are the same, just pretend that you're right anyway? makes sense i guess.
     
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    In his three years in the NFL

    Vince Young has thrown 13 interceptions in 15 games, 17 interceptions in 15 games, and 2 interceptions in 3 games.

    Kerry Collins threw a total of 7 interceptions in 16 games last year.

    Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out who takes care of the ball and who doesn't. If preseason doesn't matter (as you put it), then Vince Young has even more to prove if he wants to start.
     
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    So the 3rd overall pick's excuse is that 3rd stringers/training camp bodies are playing too hard that he cannot even put up half decent numbers? More excuses.

    If you're trying to earn a starting job, then yes it does.
     
  20. rocketeer

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    nope. but it would be dumb to state one side of that argument without acknowledging the other.

    so right here you're saying the guys vince is playing against in the preseason will certainly be trying hard that the guys collins is playing against.

    but no, preseason doesn't really mean anything.

    awesome. does any of that change you being wrong about what you said the preseason affirmed? nope.
     

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