Who would you build the new Warriors with?

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  1. jason bourne

    jason bourne JBB JustBBall Member

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    It's almost a foregone conclusion that the Warriors are already out of the playoffs again because our inept management. Cohan needs to sell the team to Larry Ellison and then he cleans house. I think Ellison should get rid of Rowell, Riley and Nelson and replace them with Lakers assistant GM Ronnie Lester or Cavs assistant GM Chris Grant and promote Keith Smart to head coach. The guys we build around will be Andris Biedrins, Monta Ellis, Anthony Randolph, Anthony Morrow, Stephen Curry, Kelenna Azubuike and Brandan Wright. We should be a fast break team and play the pick and roll more instead of playing run and gun. We should start to emphasize playing more defense. I don't expect us to be a good defensive team right away though. We may be one superstar away from being a perennial playoff contender and may need a starting PG if the Curry-Ellis back court does not pan out. Who would you build he new Warriors with? It's hard because we don't know what all our players can do just yet.
     
  2. Doctor Kajita

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    Biedrins, Randolph, Morrow, Curry. Everyone else can go, even Ellis.
     
  3. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Monta and AR are the two most talented players on the team. They would be my centerpieces. Monta gets a lot of flack for various reasons but hes a SG who shoots well over 50% and is/will be an unstoppable scorer. He can be really, really good. But AR has the potential to be great. He could develop into not only a great scoring big man a la Bosh, Nowitzki, etc. but also an elite rebounder, defender, and leader which is what separates the aforementioned two players from the REALLY great big men. Duncan, KG, etc. If there's a guy on our roster who could get us to compete for championships it'll be AR but Monta is an elite, dominating scorer who can't be overlooked just yet.

    After that Steph Curry and Andris Biedrins would be in the core group I would build around. Curry has the insane jumper to open up more space for everyone plus hes a really savvy player and looks to have some legit PG skills. Hes got lots of potential. Biedrins is a really good lunch pale type center who's brilliant on the pick and roll.

    Morrow and Wright are both good young players who are kind of up in the air. They show promise but I could see both of them topping out at any moment and becoming disappointing. I would trade them without question if the right deal came along.

    And for vets I'd keep Jack around because, as I've said many a time, hes worth more to us than he is another team. But I definitely would move him in a decent trade. I'd probably keep Ronny as long as he comes at a reasonable price because I love him as a backup C and hes still fairly young.

    So it would be Monta, AR, Curry, Biedrins, Turiaf, and depending how their development goes in the relatively near future maybe Wright or Morrow.
     
  4. Legacy

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    Keep:
    Ellis
    Randolph
    Biedrins
    Curry
    Morrow
    Turiaf
    and maybe Azubuike.

    Everyone else should GTFO especially that Devean George fucker.
     
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    Thinking about it, we have a lot of talent. But no one talks about us as one of the best young teams. Teams like Memphis, Portland, and Oklahoma City are always mentioned, but never us. Maybe the world knows how stupid our front office is?
     
  6. jason bourne

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    I can't remember how you felt about Ellis, but I'm a little surprised you giving up on him because for some reason I thought you would be more conservative than me. Perhaps, I'm just getting more conservative because of getting older. What bothers me is I don't know what our players are capable of because Nelson hasn't played them enough. I'm still upset about dealing Belinelli. As for the vets, I don't feel as uncomfortable trading them if they get a semblance of a good deal. I know what they can or cannot do in a good environment. The only problem is they got bad deals in regards to trading them.
     
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  7. jason bourne

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    Legacy, I know what you mean. I would add Minnesota to your list. People will think Minnesota has passed us up if they are able to sign Ramon Sessions.
     
  8. HiRez

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    Randolph is the only guy on this team I absolutely would not trade under almost any circumstances. But unless some great trade were offered, I'd also keep Ellis and Biedrins. So those are my 3 for the inner core: Randolph, Ellis, and Biedrins, and all have good contracts.I do have concerns about Biedrins because of the poor freethrowing and lack of a jump shot or hook shot, but he continues to improve and we need one or two blue collar types who just get the job done quietly night in and night out, that's what he does.

    On the second tier (role players) I'd keep Morrow for now just because he's dirt cheap and I like his game and personality a lot. I don't think he's exactly an elite talent, but the Warriors need accurate outside shooting and he certainly provides that, so he's valuable, probably more off the bench than a starter though. Turiaf has proven his worth, and can cover both C and PF admirably, and brings some inside toughness and D up front. That's really it for role players. I'm tempted to put Brandan Wright in here, but I think he'd be more valuable to another team than the Warriors. He's not going to get any playing time once Randolph explodes (which should be this year), he's not very versatile only being able to play PF, is too weak and passive for my tastes, and his defense is not good. He's an efficient scorer and I really like the kid, but I don't see his future here.

    Curry I have no idea about yet so it's hard to say where he fits in, if at all. But there's still that problem of him being a poor fit with Monta, I don't think that's going away. Hopefully Nellie gives him some run this year so we know what we have in him.

    Everyone else is expendable. I like Azubuike as a low-minutes backup, but he's nothing special. Maggette and Jackson need no explanation really, better for the team if they go. Claxton, Law, Moore, and George are roster filler and emergency backup only.

    Once the Warriors clean house they need to get 1 or 2 defensive minded bulls in here to change the focus, Battier or Artest types. I'm not suggesting this team become a slowdown, halfcourt team, they can and should run and shoot a lot, but just as the Giants are showing it's hard to win it all with just one side of the equation, the Warriors have to realize that a tiny bit of balance goes a long way. This team is not going to win crap giving up 112 points a game, period.
     
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    Maybe I'm getting influenced by Kawakami :crazy: but I feel Monta's heart is not with the team.

    Ever since his injury, all he's ever spewed out is scripted PR/legal protocol. I'm not convinced he actually wants to be here and help the cause. I think it's possible that he's being influenced by Sjax and everything else that has sucked for the past couple years.

    I'm still bitter about his injury. For a moment, I didn't care about Baron Davis because we had Monta...then he got injured. And I'm not convinced (at all) that he got injured on a freakin' moped.

    At this point it doesn't matter, but it revealed a part of Monta I didn't know existed. I always thought he was a humble, honest boy from the South, but I think that's changed. I know I shouldn't judge someone based on media stories, but given the current state of the franchise, I'm just not convinced he is best for the team. I even think Monta is jealous that Randolph is not the budding star of the franchise.
     
  10. Kwan1031

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    1. Randolph: Young and very talented PF, who has a great workethic and fire. Those are very very good combinations to have. The only thing I am worried about is that he seems to have a temper to blow everything off. Otherwise, he is locked to be a star in this league.

    2. Biedrins: He is young, tall, and breathing. So that alone is worth keeping. He is already one of the top rebounder in the league, quick for center, and doesn't need a ball in his hand to scoure 10+ pts.

    3. Monta: Well, at the right price, I guess I don't mind Monta being traded, only because it's just too hard to find another pair of guard, who can guard tall SG and play bit of PG. But for now, Monta is one heck of weapon to have. And, if Monta can defend and play PG a bit, I don't think I would want to trade him at all.

    I guess Wright has a potental to be something special, and Turiaf proved to be a valuable player for his price (can't comment on Curry yet), but at the end, other players are replacable...
     
  11. jason bourne

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    I rather build with the young guys because the vets we get in trade or free agency are like Jackson, Maggette, Crawford, etc. They are secondary players and not all-stars. We couldn't get Amare or Elton Brand. We only got lucky once and that was with Baron Davis. Currently, the only guy worth keeping that we got via trade or free agency is Turiaf. We just keep squandering our draft picks, so we never get anywhere. That's a year lost when a team wastes its draft pick. Since the best players we have are the draft picks we developed, i.e. Biedrins and Ellis, then I rather have a coach who will play those guys and develop them. If we can trade for top players or get an all-star free agent to come here, then it would be a different story. I think guys like Ramon Sessions, David Lee, Nate Robinson or young guys ready to break out and available are the ones to target. Already, Riley has shown he has no clue on how to build a team.
     
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    Hire Jerry West as a consultant and tell him to blow it up, do whatever it takes to put the right foundation in (front office) and let him go to work. Try my best to work the rumor mill to see about landing Jerry Sloan to coach on a long term commitment. I wouldn't care which players stay or which ones go.
     
  13. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I say build around our big men, guards are a dime a dozen and they don't all have to all be like Iverson/Arenas (hint at Monta) I would like our point guard to be something reliable defensively and have an unselfish, consistent all-around game. When I look at guards like Steve Nash, Chauncey Billups, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Sam Cassell, I see a mix of clutchness, unselfishness, and the ability to play smart %'s. So whether they are more of a scorer or more of a playmaker, I just hope they can run the game for the coach properly and not turn the ball over or let their man get passed them.

    I'm totally down with building around Biedrins, Randolph, and Wright.

    I would even like to see all 3 playing 5,4,3 because we don't know if Randolph is going to be more like Lamar Odom or more like Kevin Garnett. Tweeners may not be able to play a full time position if they match up so poorly night in and night out. Then again... body wise Wright is a clone of Randolph almost!

    I would like to keep Ellis in the mix as his contributions are almost Kobe Bryant/healthy T-mac level when it comes to inside scoring. If we get a Tony Parker on our team, a guy who can learn to play point guard, we are locking the most important position on the floor next to center. Ellis also has a good midrange game, if his range gets better and more consistent, he is going to be very very good.
     
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