ESPN reporting Lakers NOT in mix for Chris Paul

I dont have to defend Kobe. I dont have to defend the Lakers. Thats the beauty of being a fan of this team. They speak for themselves and they do it quite well. You should know this just as much as any of us. You havent forgot all that since "mid 2009" have you? Has it been that long?

You can throw all the numbers you want at me but this game is about results. Its not about stat sheets, box scores, or effciency ratings. You can spin it all day in any way you want but the one thing that never changes is who's standing on top. Like it or not Kobe Bryant is the leader of the Back 2 Back Champions.

I don't have to argue about the potential of Kobe Bryant or what he is going to do like you have to with Lebron. Kobe's legacy for the most part is already carved in stone. You're writing Lebrons in Chalk.

You want my evidence? Here it is.


Now post your numbers on that....... Damn it still looks the same doesn't it?

 

Why can't Kobe win 50 games in his best seasons, but by your own admission injured, win 57 games this year?

You're wrong, I don't even need numbers for you

Kobe choked like a dog in Game 7 and got bailed out by Pau Gasol and Artest. He proved nothing, he proved he's not this historic player and that he DOES have a great supporting cast. Your right the Lakers proved their greatness, not Kobe.

Kobe Bryant can't get out of the first round without Pau Gasol, why not?

Wrong, Kobe's legacy is etched in stone already if you go by your standards. He'll never be as much of a winner as Duncan, or as talented as LeBron, or as good as Shaq. Two of those three players already have the qualifiers to be easily considered better than Kobe, by your own standards. Duncan and Shaq are better than Kobe, and lead there teams to more titles. That you even question it shows your lack of logic within your own prerequisites.

To even make a case for Kobe would require things that don't have to do with titles, and advanced stuff. Things you say don't count.

Ok and I have Michael on my side, and Shaq. I win.



3 x MVP > Kobe.

Do you think Michael Jordan in 1989, was inferior to Kobe in 2010? Lol. Please, you're just a fan you proved it with your lack of evidence at any point in this debate.

Michael owns Kobe even without rings, it is obvious to anyone you need two stars. By establishing this theme it invalidates anything you stated in that long rant of nonsense.

 

I love how you always seem to throw a new variable or person into the discussion. Have I mentioned Jordan at anyone point in this thread? Jordan has nothing to do with any of my points.

You keep referring to Pau Gasol as the reason the Lakers won the Championship while at the same time asking "Kobe Bryant can't get out of the first round without Pau Gasol, why not? ". Seriously? When have I ever said Kobe won anything by himself or accomplished anything of value without a supporting cast? I didn't but since you want to bring Gasol into this, did Gasol even win a single playoff game before Kobe and the Lakers? Im no expert like you but Im pretty sure he didn't and if he did he sure is hell never made it out of the first round. Now thats not a knock on Gasol its just the truth and something for you to consider when asking, "Kobe Bryant can't get out of the first round without Pau Gasol, why not?". Leave that weak crap somewhere else.

He has won more than Shaq and Duncan. And yes Lebron skill wise comes no where close to Kobe.

My general point is that no matter what all these other players do or have done, non e of it changes who Kobe is. You know exactly who he is and discounting any of his accolades only makes you look bitter and envious for a reason none of us can figure out.

 

HK stands for HATE Kobe. LOL

 

Uh hello, lol, it is clear your mind is pretty out of it. "You can spin it all day in any way you want but the one thing that never changes is who's standing on top."

No duh genius, what do you think this means? Only results matter huh? Well let's apply them to the important chapters in NBA history and see how this holds up. The GOAT, averaged like 43 wins a season in his first six years (no titles or Finals Appearances)? This completely invalidates everything you said. I like how you tried to claim I changed the subject, when you're the only one dodging the issue. Look, Laker fans thinking like this, should find another sport to follow. You can bring up results all day, Jordan makes your senseless and biased rants look terrible.

This is what you get when you make statements without checking them up. Get it into your head, Kobe will be almost 33 by next year's playoffs. He's inferior to a 26 year old Chris Paul and it isn't close, unless there's some drastic injury.

Chris Paul is better than Kobe, Kobe is garbage now and he only played well against the Suns. The Suns have a garbage defense.

No fancy stats in any of this, I don't need it to make basic points that any novice can understand.

Oh sure, before maybe you didn't. Then you started to cry about Chris Paul, and you suggested only results matter. You cried like the biggest Laker fanatic and refused to give me any explanation. So you made me expose you, not my fault. Jordan owns all these silly examples about winning, and all that. It is pretty obvious you need another legit all-star that can produce in the playoffs.

Well now you look kind of silly don't you? Knowing that prime Kobe couldn't even maintain a 3-1 lead against an injured Suns team, or win more than 45 games. In comparison LeBron even won 50 games that year and took a more talented Pistons team to 7 games. Even then Kobe was inferior, like he is now. Prime Lamar Odom is better than anyone LeBron has played with.

If I wanted to see an amazing player that can't get out of the first round, I'd think of T-Mac first. Comparing single seasons, Kobe doesn't reach 2002-2003 McGrady. Since you want to know what I really think.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok, is Pau Gasol as good as Kobe? Who cares.

So why can't Kobe get out of the first round without Pau Gasol?

Answer the question. I trapped you in your little whiny bubble about winning.

And Shaq and Duncan have lead their teams to more titles, and have been far superior to Kobe and his below average shooting percentages.

Lol, he was quite hurt and atrocious in his first Finals and he lost two Finals by himself. He's inferior to Shaq by a huge margin in the 3-peat. He proved himself afterward.

I know exactly who he is, below Shaq, Duncan, and probably Hakeem. Of course LeBron, Jordan, Paul is better now, Wade has a comparable career and he's better now.

Kobe is better than McGrady, due to health. McGrady was better in his peak. Kobe choked a 3-1 lead in round 1 so I don't want to hear about the intangible garbage.

 

Ok. I honestly feel like Im arguing with a child and don't have the time or desire to continue.

 

Do not expect good treatment after disrespecting me first.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/165514...r-Chris-Paul?p=2399738&viewfull=1#post2399738

Don't whine to me when I don't think highly of your views. I don't have to be cordial with someone like that.

Why can't Kobe get out of the first round without Pau Gasol?

I'm begging to know. I want to hear about why the winner can't win. Admit it dude, run away. You have nothing intelligent to add, just cry whenever I say someone is better that you don't like. I'm the only one man enough to present an objective opinion, by an objective source.

 

HK, stop puffing yourself up and giving yourself compliments man, that is fukin sad dude. what happened, didnt get enough hugs as a kid? you are a straight up playground bully, stop attacking everybody. Look, we have a different opinion to you, and none of your complicated stats will change that opinion.

most of us also believe you are a bandwagoner, you may not admit this to yourself, but all you've done in this thread is dig your own own grave deeper and deeper to the point where we cant repect your opinion anymore. Swapping teams and jumping on the miami wagon as soon as they load the roster with star players is bad sportsmanship, is dishonest and above all just plain immature.

take my advice, shut up about kobe, shut up about the lakers, shut up about lebron and just try to be less counter-productive. youve had your say, so stop making it worse on yourself.

 

Would you like to compare the rosters of Kobe's 1st round exits in a stronger West and LeBron's teams with stronger supporting casts, less Smush Parker, and a weaker conference

 

Okay you're saying Kobe is not one of the best clutch players, I'm out of this discussion.

anyways you're saying I am not reasonable.

[video=youtube;NwnKpUGfl4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwnKpUGfl4Y[/video]

[video=youtube;eKDyV404HXs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKDyV404HXs[/video]

16 minutes of clutch baskets, there should be very fews shots that would be in both videos as the ifrst ends in 06 or something.

I once typed "Durant game winner" into youtube search and it asked me if I meant "Kobe bryant game winner", true story

 

HK, no matter what you say, your now an outsider on this forum and the loyalists here will back the team and its stars... You turned your back on us, so in retrospect, you did all this to yourself. Personally, I'm looking forward to all the Laker and Heat matchups. Its too bad the Lakers only meet them twice in the regular season. In my humble opinion, the Lakeshow are still the BETTER team and the defending champs. Its gonna be a wild season for sure and I do hope more bandwagon fans leave the LA train and hop on yours.

 

I certainly would like to compare Kobe's production, in his prime playoff years and in the Shaq-3-peat. They're nothing to get cocky about.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=3sGMW

21.4 PER is below All-Star level (ages 21-28). Kobe had 19.9 PER in 2006 against one of the softest defenses in the history of the league. T-Mac was better in his prime season, compared to Kobe's 2006 season.

Well this is illogical. If Quickshift won't treat me in a respectful fashion, I'll give him equal treatment.

He complained about me being too "advanced" then attacked me personally. I merely returned this change in tone, I don't need numbers to prove my simple premise. Both of us have still followed the rules around here, so this is fine. People are free to strongly disagree.

Who cares, it isn't a big deal to me.

And Laker Fans that think Kobe has played "better" or "equal" to Shaq in the Finals are delusional. Kobe wins as an All-Star, Shaq wins at another level.

Well sorry but I was never looking for your respect, nor do I want it. My purpose is to address any silly fanaticism with objectivity. I wish to have a more mature conversation with anyone in general, but QuickShift did not want to go that route.

I'm not a Chris Paul fan, and I like Kobe more. So what? Kobe's old, deal with it.

Well you continue to ignore the truth then, I would have loved to watch Cleveland with LeBron.

Nah, I don't think so.

By the way Akira, I've complimented Shaq and the Lakers plenty in this thread. So maybe you need to stop lying about my "hate" for the Lakers?

Well I have stated I'm an outsider, so that's not a problem. I'm a Heat fan, I only want to see Miami do well.

I didn't turn my back on anyone, Laker fans turned their back on what I feel is right. They changed their beliefs, I remained consistent. I did change some of my rankings slightly, but the general premise is consistent. I defend individuals from silly criticism and disagree with homerism.

No hard feelings.

When did I say he wasn't one of the best clutch players? This is just false.

I think he's a great player.

 

HK, I'm sorry to tell you but nobody is listening to your little stats. It doesn't mean shit to us. What matters to us is we are the best team in the league right now, and are defending champs. Your favorite player hasn't done anything, and the Miami Heat have done nothing, and are nothing until they pass the Lakers, which they probably can't do.

From one to twelve, every Laker can start on an NBA team. The Heat, not so much.

 

Wait, so we had to believe in what you feel is right to be any good, and because you remained consistent in "your" belief, we're the ones who are wrong because we "changed"?

Seriously? I'm SOOO sorry, and I apologize for turning my back on what you feel is right. So sorry, in truth, I'm not a Laker fan at all after all these years. I was really a huevonkiller fan this whole time and I didn't realize it til it was too late. I wasted a good thing.

 

Why would anyone take a Bandwagon fan serious, stop wasting your time with this kid, next year he will probably root for New York and so on.

 

"To be any good"? I don't understand what that means.

Yes in general, people accuse others of being "wrong" in a debate and pick sides. I don't ask for any apologies though, just to be reasonable.

I don't understand what your issues are with me. I think in general, it is bad to have Carmelo or Deron Williams get any kind of MVP chants. To have Joe Johnson considered Brandon Roy's equal. I think it is a detriment to the league to have unsubstantiated homerism. I never said you had to root for Miami or whatever.

At the height of my fanaticism of LA last season, I still thought LeBron was the 2008-2009 league MVP and even made a thread about it. And I believed he was at least comparable in the playoffs, and going forward he was probably going to be better. So I was never one of those pure Kobe homers even in early 2009. I do think the Laker fanbase in general, has changed for the worse. I don't think it is surprising because many cities can be like that, it is just not right.

Who you root for is different, that can be anyone and no one is right or wrong there.

 

I just think with what I've read here for the past few weeks (maybe a month now, who knows) is that your definition of "reasonable" has been "agree with me (HK)". That's all. I know that you may not be judging each of us individually when you talk about the general Laker fanbase, but when you post it here in a Laker forum, don't think that we won't get the least bit offended, whether it applies to us or not.