ROY comments on our offense - is there a problem here?

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  1. OddEnormous

    OddEnormous I'M FLYING!! I'M FLYING!!

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    Fuck Brandon Roy

    Stop your bitching, its not about you anymore. You got your 85 mil, its time this team progressed. Make the players around you better, like the rest of the superstars around the league do, the ones you want to be like.

    That is all.
     
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    I don't care who get's to have the title of "PG" or who handles the ball more, and I have no problem with our best player handling the ball more than anybody else. The thing I do have a problem with is the team continuing to be an iso offense, and talking about doing even more iso's, relying on Roy to go 1 on 4, over and over. Teams have figured it out, and teams don't with in the playoffs with that type of offense.
     
  4. Blazinaway

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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    Come on, don't hold back, how do you REALLY feel? lol
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    Choo Choo
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    Trade him for CP3 or DeRon! Let Wes Run the 2.


    In all seriousness I think that B-Roy is just a little threatened with all the good talent around him as of late. I'm sure some winning will smooth it all out.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy


    54 and 50 wins the last two years didn't, and an ISO offense won't win in the playoffs.
     
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    Ok I'll throw this bone out there. Say the offense is centered around Roy. The question is, are the guys around him the best fit to win. Is Millers the PG type that you want out there with Roy if he is going to dominate the ball? Can you play another SG with ability with him instead? (Mathews/Rudy). It seems to me that the guy that plays opposite of Roy needs a few things: 1. The ability to guard PG. 2. The ability to hit the outside shot. 3. The ability to generate a few assist per game. 4. The ability to generate their own shot. 5. The ability to take make a big man pay for a switch on the perimeter.

    Secondly if Roy is going to dominate the ball, we need players on the front line who will go do the dirty work. We need guys who will hit the boards. I know Joel fits that bill. I know Oden when healthy fits that bill. Neither is healthy right now, so it doesn't matter. The guy who needs to pick it up is Aldridge. Unfortunately, that will never happen, because he is in denial that there is even a problem to begin with.

    We know Mo Williams is available, and he would be a perfect fit next to Roy. Billups may be available when Denver wholesales their team, but may cost too much.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    If you played on a Nate ran team you'd want the ball all the time in your hands too.

    Just sayin
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    Whats wrong with our best and highest paid player saying that the team is better when he has the ball?
     
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    I'm not sure if you are advocating that style of play, or just thinking out loud. But I would be very annoyed to see the team go out and try to form a team who's goal is to play iso after iso. If it doesn't work with Kobe, Wade or Lebron, it isn't going to work with Roy.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    I love Quick taking a sentence from an interview with Broy out of context and everyone going crazy about it.

    No surprise here.

    I wish this guy would have quit when he said he was going to.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    I like his attitude and how he wants the ball. He is an All-NBA Player and arguably considered by many the 3rd best SG in the NBA/World. Why don't you want your best player to get control of the game?
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    He's not bitching. And I don't even think he's making it about him. What he's really doing, is making it about the team.

    We're better with the ball in Brandon's hands as much as he's willing to take it. Our offense is what it is and if we have the ball in Andre Miller's hands, Roy becomes little more than Martell Webster (or Wesley Matthews this season) or Nicolas Batum on offense. That's a downgrade at both the PG and SG positions.

    I think some people are reading his comments as 'I want to take 35 shots a night like Kobe Bryant' but that's not at all what he's saying. He's saying he wants to be the one to create opportunities because he's the best on the team at creating for others (as well as himself) and he's right. I think this is a great sign and it's the exact opposite of what Rasheed Wallace did that caused so many people to get pissed at him years ago. 'Why doesn't Rasheed dominate the ball more? He's our best player!' People were right to criticize Wallace back then and Roy is right to want the ball in his hands more now.

    Our starting lineup should absolutely include Roy, Matthews and Batum. Batum can guard the opposing team's best scorer at the 1-3, Matthews gets the 2nd best and Roy takes the worst. That defensive lineup will create nightmares for the opposition and Roy is correct to point out that that is how it should be.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    There are two problems here

    1. Brandon needs to learn to get his points within the flow of the offense like K*be had to do

    2. Portland's offesne has no flow to it.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    Well, for one, there is nothing to back up that claim. Secondly, teams don't win using an iso-heavy offense.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    It wasnt quick, i heard the interview
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    There's nothing to back up the claim that it doesn't make the team better, so...

    I think the backlash against isolation offenses is pretty overblown. We're still very efficient offensively. If we score efficiently, we just need to play better defense than the opposition and avoid injuries. That was our problem last season and that's why we got Wesley Matthews and why Batum will be getting more time and why Andre Miller should be shipped out for a position of need.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    The issue is that Roy is not a pure SG. He's a hybrid SG / PG.

    I agree he needs the ball and he does not work well with a classic PG like Andre since Roy is not a catch and shoot spot-up shooter. Our offense is more like the triangle, where no pure PG is needed, than a D'Antoni system where it is key.

    Given that, Roy is right. Miller is just a bad fit, but that's not his fault.
     
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    Re: Fuck Brandon Roy

    It'll be interesting to see if Miller gets moved to the bench at some point this year.

    I hated the idea last year because Blake was such a downgrade in all aspects except perimeter shooting compared to Miller.

    But with Matthews you get almost as good a three point shooter as Blake and a far, far better defender. Even against PG's, Matthews has got to be an upgrade on defense over Blake. That defensive upgrade may tilt me in favor of starting Matthews over Miller.

    The question is who would bring the ball up the court if we went with Matthews. I don't think Batum has a good enough handle to do that consistently yet. Roy can do it, but it's kind of a waste of his energy trying to do it against quicker guards. He has a hard enough time staying healthy. I haven't seen Matthews enough to know if he is capable.

    Anyway, as for Roy's comments it's entirely predictable. Whenever you have an elite guard and he sees the offense is struggling, his instinct is to say, "Gimme the ball more." It's exactly the kind of aggressive attitude that makes him an elite guard. It is a 180 about-face from a few weeks ago where he said he wanted to learn to play off the ball more, because at that time the team wasn't even playing, and as far as anybody knew there weren't any hiccups in the offense.

    Personally, I'd rather see Roy work harder on playing off the ball more. It seems really short-sighted to give up on the concept after just a couple of preseason games.

    But at some point Nate needs to experiment with Matthews or Roy or Batum bring up the ball to see if that's a realistic option. It's something we need to know, anyway. Miller has a rock-solid health history, but he's getting up there and there's no guarantee he'll stay healthy forever. Without him, Bayless is the only guard we have with any experience running the PG position at the NBA level. And it's always possible Bayless gets injured too.
     

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