Charles Barkley: D.Rose is the best point guard in the nba

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  1. Denny Crane

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    You think we want Keith Bogans and Kurt Thomas taking lots of open jumpers?
     
    Denny Crane, Jan 18, 2011
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    Rondo may lead guards in FG% but he gets alot of layups too. If it was only based on jumpers I gurantee you Rose would have a better percentage.
     
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    Rose takes 4 3pt shots a game and hits 38%, which drags down his FG%. From 2pt, he's shooting .474.
     
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    That's actually wrong. Rose shoots a slightly lower % (45.6%) than Rondo (46.0%), based solely on jumpers. Also, please forgive Rondo for getting to the hoop for easy buckets, he didn't know that was a bad thing.
     
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    Yes, I always prefer open jumpers to a guy trying to score against a double team.

    True, Rose needs to work on becoming a more efficient scorer. I agree with your point.
     
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    Rondo gets open layups because defenders are turning their backs trying to chase Ray Allen. Rose gets layups because he is fast, and fast don't lie. ;-)
     
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    With Rose and Rondo, I don't see how you can say one is better than the other when they play completely different styles of a game and the coaches ask for completely different things from them. Rivers isn't out there telling Rondo that he needs to dominate the game with his scoring. He's out there to get his teammates involved and play some really good defense. Rose is out there to score first and get his teammates involved (a very close) second. Rondo is also better defensively, even if it just marginally (this just depends on how you view their respective defenses).

    They're both great...I don't understand why you're arguing about who's better. It's a pointless argument because they play the position so differently and such different things are asked of them. If you're going to compare Rose to anyone, at least look at PGs who play the position similarly (Williams, Paul, etc.), but to compare him and Rondo is pointless.
     
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    Well Denny said he shots 47%, and Denny knows his stats so Im gonna have to say youre wrong. Moo2k4 is right anyway, theres no point in comparing them because they dont even play the same way.
     
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    how is this thread still going? i thought it was settled. They're both amazing at what they do and hard to compare but Rose is clearly better ;)

    thread/
     
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    As long as this Chicago forum doesn't take a "kobe is HANDS DOWN thee best player in the NBA. No contest" turn for the worst with Rose, i'll continue to love you guys.
     
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    Click on the links I provided. I don't just make stuff up like some people. Denny was talking about 2 pt shots exclusively
     
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    BTW, 82games has updated their stats and they are now tied with the exact same jump shot shooting %

    And also, I'm not trying to say Rondo is better, just trying my best to knock down the things Bulls fans say to try to discredit him.
     
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    Correct. 2pt shots, be they dunks or just inside the 3pt line.
     
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    eFG% is not the same thing as jump shot shooting %.

    Again, Rose takes 4 3pt shots a game, while Rondo takes 0.8.

    What's more telling is that Rondo takes about 9 shots a game, and 55% or 5 of those are jump shots. Rose takes 20 shots a game and 71% or 14 of those are jump shots.
     
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    The eFG I mentioned is effective fg% on jumpers only.

    And yeah, Denny, I agree with you on Rose. He needs to learn better shot selection. Imagine how much better the Bulls would be if he could be as efficient as Rondo. He needs to stop settling for jumpers. Good points made by you.
     
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    The Bulls don't have anyone else who should be taking the shots that Rose is. In fact, they have too many players taking shots who have no business even being in the game.

    Rose will get a lot of talk about getting the MVP. Rondo won't even be mentioned in the discussion.
     
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    Rondo is scoring 4.7 ppg on his jumper. Rose is scoring 12.8 ppg. Rondo's jump shot shooting % is likely to fall big time if he tried to generate 250% more points on jumpers.
     
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    You guys have a lot of excuses. I present a statistical fact, I'm answered with a hypothetical.
     
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  19. rosenthall

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    When comparing the offensive roles of players, it's a good idea to remember that guys are usually called to take as many shots as they can efficiently make.

    Rondo only takes 11 or so shots a game because he's clearly not the offensive weapon Garnett, Allen, and Pierce are. Likewise, Rose takes a lot of shots because he's clearly better suited to taking them to guys like Kurt Thomas and Keith freaking Bogans.

    It's why Ronnie Brewer, despite shooting over 50% for most of his career, has never been more than a bit player on offense. His shooting percentage is a result of him knowing his limitations, not his skill.
     
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    Great post, Rosenthall.

    Let's look at PER if we want to avoid the hypothetical. Rose comfortable ahead.
     
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