WTF am I missing here? This has to be one of the worst (albeit non-blockbuster) trades in franchise history, if all of this is the case. I think the way it works is that it'll actually free up more cap space next year though, since Murphy's contract is $1.5 mil more than the other 2 and it frees up the roster spot that Lin swallowed up, plus we get a 2nd rounder. So technically, if we couldn't get any takers on the expirings, then at least he managed to get more come off the books (if that's how it actually works)
Bottom line, W's gain a couple million with a buyout, gain a 2nd rounder (Hello 2012's Landry Fields???), lose Gadzuric (oh well, someone else has to miss those 2 fters) and lose Brandon Wright (will he blossom?) So basically, bottom line, Brandon Wright, "we think you suck."
Just listened to Rusty Simmons on Ralph and Tom. That protected 1st round pick to NJ really hurt the Warriors. You can't trade two consecutive 1st round picks (i.e. 2012, 2013), and since the pick to NJ, now with Utah, is holding back any possibility of throwing in another 1st round draft pick, the Warriors have no leverage. As long as it's in protected status (up to the 7th pick) the Warriors can't do anything until it's actually used. Another way to look at it is unless the Warriors really suck, thus thrusting them into another lottery and they get 1 - 7, that pick is indefinitely hindering their ability to add another pick as trade leverage. Actually, not sure if it's indefinite. I wonder if that pick's protected status ever expires. I'm sure it's been covered here before. Anyone?
Its been obvious since Lacob came in that he thought BW sucked. And to be quite frank Smart and Nellie seem to think so too based on their rotations. I've read that Murphy will not take any discount to be bought out. Which is why I don't understand why we would buy him out at all. We have to pay him either way so what do we gain from letting him go immediately as opposed to telling him to report and put a smile on or stay home and collect your paycheck. Murphy does make more than Gadz/BW combined but its not like we're paying millions and millions extra if thatswhat you're referencing Alley Oop. We would've had to pay Gadz/BW anyway so we're only paying Murphy a little more to acquire the pick (he makes 1.4 mil more than those two but theres only 28 games left or so to pay off). And Cohan Hater, I wonder the same thing about the extra money. Does that mean we get the extra 1.4 mil in cap room? I tend to think it doesn't work that way but my simple non-mathematical mind can't make sense of it lol. In summary, assuming Murphy takes no discount, basically Lacob is buying a second round pick because hes paying a bit extra for Murphy than the other two would have cost. We're hoping it'll be a pick in the 30s since its NJ's second but they just added Deron and its a 2012 pick so who knows. Another factor in all of this is that BW would have had a big cap hold because his rookie deal was ending and it would have restricted our FA pursuits. You can bitch and moan about Gadz and BW as players but they flat out just don't play at all any more. Lee/Andris are established, Udoh's been getting more run than Beans almost every game recently, Amundson is coming back, Vlad gets burn at PF, we now have several roster spots open to add a D-League big who is probably as good as either. Maybe Gadz/BW are better players than I'm giving them credit for, I kinda like both, but the fact is they never played so we're really not losing anything. NJ just lost Favors who was starting so they pick up two bigs for depth and they'll probably give Wright a chance to prove hes a player and they save some money both in moving Murphy (who was an issue for them) and not having to pay the second rounder when 2012 rolls around (I believe summer of DWill, CP3, and Dwight free agency). But yeah this trade still blows. I guess getting a 2nd is better than nothing but we really couldn't get ANY player to help out? Deadline isn't up until tomorrow but I'm not expecting anything. Utah is collapsing. Denver oughta be weaker. GS is playing better. Adding any kind of consistent NBA quality depth would be huge. To my knowledge the cap space we have would barely be above the MLE and many, many teams will have more cap room. Why not add salary now and use the MLE in the offseason? That way you at least pick up 2 or 3 legit rotation upgrades. Lately I've been thinking of why we aren't after Chris Kaman? I know hes injury prone but hes a pretty decent all around C. Hes had some monster years, hes a pretty good finisher, has some offensive skills, rebounds, legit 7'0 260 lbs, a bit of a shot blocker. LAC is trying to give him away. Why not move expirings for him and then in the offseason try and make another Dorell Wright type of signing or two with the MLE? Add assets. Kaman expires after next season anyway so we're not locked into him forever. Kaman/Lee/Udoh/Beans? frontline sounds pretty legit too, no? Obviously I'd rather have Perk or someone like that but Kaman is available for cheap and Perks, M. Gasol, etc. may be pipe dreams. You can pick up Kaman without losing any core players and just see what you've got. You're not locked in with him long term.
I don't think the trade is about the money but about acquiring the draft picks. Something is better than nothing and I guess they (Riley, Lacob, et al) have acquiesced to acknowledging that BW will never amount to anything more.
Here is an article on a move Riley made back when he started which lowered the protection on the pick in exchange for delaying the pick. NJ was supposed to get last year's pick (Udoh). http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-09-23/sports/17207431_1_pick-original-trade-new-jersey The Warriors would have the 12th pick if the draft were today (and they don't move into the top 3). Therefore Utah would indeed get that pick. At this point its hard to see us ever sinking down to the top 7. And thats another reason why I say even if there's no big time stars why not make moves for solid role players? Utah is bound to sink, Denver is questionable, Mem and Hou aren't that tough. Adding a few solid but not spectacular pieces would make a big difference and we're not getting that pick this year anyway so fuck it, go for the playoffs. Losing the cap room is barely a loss as we would get an MLE which is nearly as good and I think we're best off using that MLE to make Dorell Wright-like signings of young players who will have upside and value and become assets. Lets go for wins, lets make this stupid 1st round pick restriction go away by not being in the bottom 7 and conceding the pick to Utah (its kind of a crappy draft anyway).
In a sense its a little encouraging because it is sort of like Lacob buying a pick. If he were really cheap he'd say fuck it, BW and Gadz are cheaper and I don't want to pay the 2nd rounder. Still pretty lame move though lol. The west is turning into the east of the last decade, lets make a push!
FYI here's an interview with Riley/Smart. Neither says anything of interest except Riley does admit that this was a disappointment and hes definitely not going to brag about it (though I know Fitz will lol): [video=youtube;_5g5TYttBSM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5g5TYttBSM[/video]
For clarification, the pick Utah now owns is actually a 2012 first round pick, top 7 protected. It is also top 7 protected in 2013 and if it isn't satisfied by then Utah will get two second round picks. So we are drafting this year but probably not next year.
lol Baron may get traded to Cleveland for Mo Williams. lol @ Baron but lol @ the Clips too. Even for all his warts isn't Baron more valuable to them than an under sized SG? And with Blake Griffin around (i.e. attention back on him) hes more motivated to be in shape. If he gets traded to Cleveland they'll have to play him at PF because he'll really say fuck it and balloon up to 255 lbs.
Apparently its Baron for Mo and Jamario. Granted, I thought the Clips would want a shooter back rather than Jamario...I really like Aminu in LAC, and combine that with Gomes and Butler, they are kinda jammed at the SF position. The benefit with Mo is that you not only add a shooter, but a PG who can facilitate the offense. I know Baron had a connection with Blake, but there were times where Baron gets a little tunnel vision on looking for his own shot, which wasn't helping the development of both Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin. I think it's a pretty solid trade, not gonna blow the pants off of anyone, but man is Baron gonna be pissed when he is on that flight to CLE. Those parachutes would look mighty tempting.
If he has value to title contenders, Warriors might be able to trade him for a draft pick. I think the Warriors would have to buyout his contract--do you guys know if that nullifies the receiving team's cap hit? In other words, if the Warriors buy out Murphy's contract, does his contract then not impact the receiving team's cap?
I believe that if he's bought out, then the W's carry his full salary on their cap, the receiving team's only hit is what they pay him (usually the pro-rated minimum).
I think so too, and that means that they get 1.5 extra room next year and a 2nd round pick for Wright and Gadz. Not that bad of a move if they are truly handcuffed for any big trades. I am starting to think that the new ownership wants to go into the lockout without committed contracts though and pulled a Cohan here though. Mr Lacob cried wolf about going and making a big move over and over again. If they don't end up with Nene, Gasol, or at least an Upgrade at the 5 this off Season, then I'll be ready to change my name to LacobHater
Sheesh. OKC got Kendrick Perkins instead of Biedrins! They gave up a lot though. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArfaHLm51BwLuKpSvSfPT8S8vLYF?slug=aw-greenceltics022411
About thirty minutes ago. Jams back to Oaktown? This would rid us of ABs contract. http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/25400/sources-cavs-warriors-talk-jamison-deal Dam. Even the Cavs do not want Biedrins!
Yeah, I have to sense that we were just throwing this out there as a last-minute deal. Jamison is still serviceable and only has a 2 year contract, so he'd be off the books in 2012, when there would be a possibility that we could make another expiring-contract-deal that season where the free agent market will be hotter than this years'.
I still think that's a great trade for OKC though. They already are pretty scary and just got better IMO.
