Dream scenario

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  1. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Ezeli, Q. Miller, O'Quinn, Barton, Tyshawn Taylor, Draymond Green, Scott Machado, Doron Lamb available at 30 for us.
     
  2. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Pretty underwhelming draft after the top 4. At least we got to pick this year instead of losing it to some other team in a coin toss.

    What's with Dion Waiters at #4? I was certain Thomas Robinson would get some love.
     
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    The Kings definitely hit the Jackpot. They didn't have to trade up and still got a stud
     
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    My problem with Robinson was he was getting swatted by guys and not finishing strong at the rim in the NCAA, what's he going to do in the NBA? But watching the Finals you had Bosh and Ibaka as the biggest players on the floor at the end.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Overall, I think the draft went pretty well. This draft was pretty dearth of centers and pure point guards and although we have those positions taken care of, we're an injury or two away from repeating last year. It all about forwards, combo guards, and twos in this year's draft. The draft was especially small forward heavy or tweener forward heavy.

    The warriors did get the wing that I thought was more than acceptable. I'm actually cool with how the draft went. Plus, we picked up a big body at 30 which is actually okay, since the next early 2nd rounders weren't really good options for the warriors IMO. The warriors could always use the extra size considering big man injury problems and not much center help to choose from once injuries go two deep.

    With that said, I like the warriors best available player draft strategy with attention paid to needs. The warriors are a franchise that are not sellers when it comes to free agency. It's best to build the team from the draft and build up useful assets.

    I'd also be interested to see how these players develop since I thought they would be good fits for the team as well:

    Austin Rivers
    Jeremy Lamb
    Terrence Ross

    I mentioned that getting additional bigs or insurance for Curry would help us as well, but if you can find a starter at shooting guard or small forward, more power to us. I think also having Rush as a stopgap solution at SG or SF should help us until we know definitely if Barnes should be a starter. They say Barnes has a pretty all-around game, but he needs to work on his ballhandling a bit more.
     
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  6. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I wonder if Barnes will take the starting spot right away.

    Although he does not find it easy to create for himself or for others, he is a willing passer and we have plenty of guys who can create offense (see Thompson, Curry, Lee, Bogut). Barnes is also tremendous shot with a beautiful stroke. He starts with possessing an excellent midrange shot, great jab step and step back moves. He can also hit from outside. He's really good at drawing fouls and finishing on short drives to the basket. Plus, he's a really good defender at the collegiate level and a standup personality. A really good glue guy, but not a star like Lee, Bogut or Curry. But here's the thing: He could have the potential to be a star if he gets better at creating his own offense for himself and others. If he does that it will open up his game because he can draw more fouls, he can get closer shots to the basket a lot easier, and he can make passes off the drive. Everything else he does is pretty well-rounded.
     
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    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I think that mid-range game is the reason why hes compared to Pierce, especially the pull-ups and step-backs. We haven't seen Barnes get to the rim at will like Pierce can though. Can't knock the pick. Not the sexiest scenario at 7, but probably the best player on the board and could very well be our starting SF. Like you said CR2, if he ever figures out how to create for himself he could be something special. Hes a really smart guy, very willing defender, prototype SF body, hes got a nice stroke and he seems committed to playing a sound style of basketball.

    Funny that the reports from the Zeller/Ezeli workout said Zeller worked him, but Lacob said Ezeli dominated Zeller after the draft. Obviously they're going to pump up the guy they just picked, but I wonder which one was right. Anywho, hes an athletic 6'11 264 lbs. with a nearly 7'6 wingspan. Seems to have touch around the rim and ability to change shots. Weak rebounder, questionable hands. We'll see how he comes along, I feel a lot better about prospects like he and Tyler with Bogut in the fold. Plus he'll be able ot build his confidence by whooping Biedrins' ass every day in practice.

    I like the Draymond Green pick. Hes a textbook tweener, but hes very talented. His standing reach is just an inch shorter than Ezeli's. I think he's ultimately more of an SF. He can still lose some weight and gain a little quickness, though he'll always be unathletic for the position. Kind of reminds me of Jared Dudley who was also a very good college PF who had SF size but poor athleticism. Green's game is much more well rounded and he has more perimeter skills though, as one can see with the assists, steals, and 3 pt shooting numbers. Doesn't hurt to have a combo forward who can shoot and rebound when you need to go small as well.

    The last guy they took seems like a big white stiff, though what I read about him claims he has good mobility. Not expecting anything from him.

    Overall they got a lot of smart players who reportedly are very coachable and want to play the game the right way. Barnes and Green will add to our already high quality perimeter shooting. Assuming Green is a 3, they got a lot bigger. Picked up a couple project bigs which I have no issue with (if you get enough of them, someone has to pan out, right?). Solid draft even though there weren't any big splashes.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Toughness and passivity is correctable, especially if something happens that opens up their game (e.g. new coaching, a change of pace, something philosophical that opens their mind). It is a mental and attitude thing. You can't improve quickness by much.

    Still, a lot of these players being drafted end up pretty much being the same guy mentally.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Run, wasn't Harrison Barnes, like PJ III, considered a top III pick at one time? Just goes to show that the more data you have on a draft pick, the more scrutiny that player will undergo. I think Barnes will be fine. He's a lot more athletic than advertised and his ball handle will improve. He's got everything else. He has potential to be a go-to guy if he can just open up his game by being able to create. I'm sure Brandon Roy would teach him a thing or two and if you remember Roy was not the most athletic guy in the world, but he could shoot and sense what to do in the flow of offense. That's what a high basketball IQ player will do. Curry's got that, Lee has got that, Bogut has got that, Klay Thompson has got that and Barnes has it. I like where things are going with this team. Now all this team has to do is gel and play defense.

    Various folks have said good thing about Barnes in that he's like in some ways Luol Deng/Danny Granger. At the very worst he's got a high basement. He'll be basically doing what Wright does except with more effort.
     
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    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I have no issue with Barnes' attitude. Its PJIII I'm not a fan of, and apparently NBA GMs aren't either. Dude just does not put any effort into playing defense and hes soft as hell all around.

    No one has ever questioned Barnes' desire. The knock on him is that he was the top rated HS player of his class and he didn't live up to that. He was a good player, he just wasn't a superstar like many thought he would be. 17 ppg on a talented UNC team is nothing to scoff at.
     
  11. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Oh, there's no doubt that PJIII has a high chance to be a bust. IMO similar to Andre Drummond (great bodies, questionable impact as basketball players)

    I saw some tape of Barnes competition at the HS level. He was a man amongst boys and wasn't tested properly. He was the tallest, biggest, quickest dude on the court and could get any shot he wanted no problem. At the collegiate level, not the case, but he has shown he wants the ball in crunch time and can be clutch. He's a dangerous shooter, he's got desire and he's a talented on both ends of the floor. He just needs to work on his ball handle and be more aggressive going inside and he'll be good. He's got great bball instincts and is good with both hands, but I think he's not so comfortable taking it into big man country just yet. He's a one-two dribble guy for now, whereas in high school he was taking it all the way to the rack. Of course he's going to be overrated because he was dominating hs competition like Lebron did and people were thinking the next Lebron.
     

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