Houston to aggressively pursue Asik(Came to agreement)

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    Like it or not it's the going rate for a center who doesn't trip over his own feet. Well, I must say I didn't see this coming. Oh wait, I did. And if I saw it coming, the front office must have. The sinking feeling I'm getting is that we've been sold a bill of goods from the front office. Pacify, pacify, pacify the fans . . . all the while cutting costs and refusing to make the tough decisions that would allow you to potentially improve while cutting costs. Up next, a Kirk Hinrich signing. He's great you know, besides the fact that he can't play basketball anymore.
     
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    Mike McGraw thinks Bulls will match

    Read more: http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/6964
     
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    Bulls needed to nuke this team if they were not willing to pay the lux tax.

    They could still go this route but it would be by signing Asik and trading Noah.

    So either way they should sign Asik IMHO.
     
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    Heat are going to be in the lux tax every damn year.

    Boston paid $77M last year and agressively are trying to sign everybody back plus Mayo plus Green.

    Are we competing for the most profitable team or a champion?
     
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    Seems most folks are shocked by the offer. I'm not sure why. I kinda figured that it'd be in the $7mil/year ballpark, but then you have to take into consideration that acquiring free agents, particularly if you're a NBA have-not, is all about overpaying.

    As I see it, Houston is forcing the Bulls to overpay Asik by about a mil a year. It's just sort of nasty the way that 3rd season works out.

    If the Bulls are in it to win it, they should match the Rockets' offer. I hope they do.
     
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    It's seemed like profit since MJ and the gang left.
     
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    Read more:http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...-bits-bulls-chicago--20120703,0,2621202.story

     
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    "Need?"

    They could resign 3 veterans immediately for something other than minimum deals. Korver, Brewer, and Watson. They could match Asik, too.

    They need to extend Taj, too, or he'll be playing for Houston or some other team as well.
     
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    Completely agree that this signing isn't surprising at all.

    Guys w/ Asik's size, youth, and defensive abilities will get paid by somebody.

    Will be interesting to see how the offseason shakes out.
     
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    FWIW, from what Larry Coon says about the "Early Bird" exception, a 4-year max Early Bird deal would have been $5.6221, $6.0438, $6.4654, $6.8871 for a total of $25.01834.

    Hard to argue with $25mil in 3 years being better than the same money in 4 years.
     
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    Honestly? $8M/season for Asik is probably a really fair deal. The $5M for two seasons is definitely workable with the new CBA cap rules, and a good value.

    At $15M for the third season, Deng's contract will be off the books. Nobody knows what will be going on with this team in 3 years, though. That $15M could hamper the team's ability to bring in a guy who's actually worth $15M.

    The CBA has a number of exceptions that allow a team to sign players, in spite of the salary cap. I don't remember the Bulls actually using those exceptions much. MLE twice in memory (I could be wrong) - for Donyell Marshall and Rip.

    Bird exceptions? Noah, Kirk, Deng. Or were those just plain old contract extensions?
     
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    Denny that is what many fans are saying about his third year. Also we can amnesty boozer next season as well.
     
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    FWIW, Joe Smith was a MLE guy. In the cases of Noah, Kirk and Deng, the Bulls were either already over the cap or the new salary took them over the cap, so the Bird exception had to be used.

    For 2014-15, with Asik at $15mil, the key may be finding a way to bring Mirotic over at the full-MLE. To be able to do this, the Bulls will need to get their offseason salaries below the luxury tax "apron" ($4mil over the LT line) including Mirotic's full-MLE salary. This simply can't be done with Deng, Boozer, Noah, Rose and Asik on the books. Assuming that Deng signed for no increase, those 5 would be at $76mil. Add Gibson at about $8mil and Mirotic at $5mil and you're at $89mil for 7 players. Adding in the rest of the roster and you're probably in the $97mil-$100mil ballpark. If the apron is at say $79mil by that point, amnestying Boozer (~$17mil) almost, but not quite gets you there. As Denny alluded to, the key could become Deng's new contract (or lack thereof).
     
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    Asik is a good player for us, but if it means we lose Taj next season, then I say good luck in Houston!
     
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    As far as Deng goes, there's another possibility. He simply isn't worth $14M in salary now, and likely not when his contract expires. Maybe we can re-sign him for a few $million less.
     
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    Of course, it doesn't matter if you think Deng's worth it or if I think he's worth it. It only matters if Deng thinks he's worth it and whether he can find one GM to agree with him. Deng has always been more highly thought of by coaches and GMs than fans.
     
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    Which is why all the rumors the Bulls wanted to trade him for cap relief. Just sayin'
     
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    I agree. Gerald Wallace just got 4 years and $40M at age 29 which happens to be the age that Deng will be in 2 years.

    Deng is going to get a similar contract.
     
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    The reasonable rumors were for a draft pick like Harrison Barnes. The dumb ones were for cap relief given his is our 2nd/3rd best player and is our only starting caliber player on the wings.
     
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