Belinelli

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  1. transplant

    transplant Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Reports are that the Bulls will sign him... 2 years $3.8M.

    Belinelli is not quite the pure shooter that Korver is, but he's a bit more versatile. Korver's a little more efficient, but Belinelli has a little higher scoring rate. If this goes through, I won't complain about trading Korver for the TPE.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Wish I could say something insightful, here. Haven't really seen him play. He looks as handsome as Korver, though. From what I can gather, he has a slightly higher ability to create something off the dribble? But not the guy who can work the screens like Korver?

    My thought was he probably is more of the kind of guy we need, at least while Rose is gone.

    And is Asik really a pipe dream?
     
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    Belinelli is a good long range shooter. Good pickup for the price. Who knows about Asik for sure?
     
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    More dynamic than Korver, but not as good of a pure shooter. Will make some jaw dropping fadeaways, can go to the rim a little bit and make some nice passes, defense isn't terrible though hes not very quick.
     
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    Meh...could be worse i guess.
     
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    a few years ago i looked this guy up and saw his highlights over in france and they were amazing. kid was like kobe. he obviously never got the chance to play until more recently but i like him.
     
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    I'm not generally a fan of highlight videos (every player looks great in 'em...I mean that's why they call 'em highlights), but since I haven't seen that much of Belinelli, I found this one fun to watch:

    [video=youtube;BV20cdhya3A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV20cdhya3A[/video]
     
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    I hope we get him. We need scoring
     
  9. rosenthall

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    Million dollar question: Is he a replacement for Korver or Rip?
     
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    If you disregard the rest of the offseason, I think this is an excellent signing.

    I haven't seen him much but he looks like a poor man's Ginobili to me.

    We could use a guy with a little bit of irrational confidence on our team, and I like that we brought in two guys in Kirk and Marco that are good at setting other people up.

    I always thought the inability of Lucas and Watson to do that really held us back last year. Belinelli looks like a guy that'll hit Rip, Deng, and Boozer in their spots.

    Athletically he actually reminds me a lot of Jamal, in that he's athletic enough to get around the court but doesn't have the fast twitch muscles to get to the rim and finish, so he has to take a lot of floaters and fadeaways.

    Judging from the highlights he's decent at making at least a fair percentage of them, so that's good :)
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    The Bulls will be Belinelli's 4th team in 6 seasons. He missed a lot of games his first three seasons, but played almost all of the (all but 2) the past 2.

    His PER for his 5 seasons is 11.9 (8.2, 11.8, 12.6, 12.1, and 11.9).

    I don't have high expectations he's going to have some breakout season.

    But, I'm with rosenthall. Considering the pickings, this is a good pick up. He's likely to be our starting SG for the next two seasons. We're not going to like his defense much, but his offense is going to be OK. He could well be a 15/3/3 kind of guy, which would be the best we've had next to Rose since Gordon left.
     
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    When I think about this signing I see the probability tree splitting in two directions.

    One's good and the other bad. And it all depends on whether or not the Bulls are willing to pay the luxury tax.

    Belinelli and Kirk are not signings the Bulls would make if they're committed to staying under the tax and keeping the same starting lineup.

    If that's the case, then the strategy of management really is "I'll Play These"

    They just thought they could cost effectively re-organize the bench and the decision to let go of Asik is because that third year just completely fucks with their plans in 2014.

    We're still talking about Uncle Jerry, so every move has to have a financial rationale to it, but the team is willing to go into the tax to keep the team together.

    If the Bulls are absolutely not willing to pay the tax, then we have problems.

    Asik's going to walk, and the Bulls are willing to bet Rip can be moved at the deadline for scraps. Then Belinelli can fill in his spot. Kirk can back up he and Rose, and we'll just ride with a watered down version of last year's team.
     
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    Just so we're clear:

    Rose, Boozer, Deng, Noah, Rip, Taj, Butler, Teague, and Mirotic.
    $16.4M + $15M + $13.3M + $11.3M + $5M + $2.2M + $1.1M + $857K + $1M = $65.2M.

    Belinelli at $1.9M makes it $67.1M, Hinrich at $3M makes it $70.1M - a hair below the CAP.

    Bulls need to sign two guys at ~$850K to fill out the 12 man roster.

    I think by Transplant's figuring, we're $1.4M over the cap. This figuring above seems to agree with that. But...

    If Hinrich signed a back loaded deal, the Bulls are likely under the LT. Something like $1.5M and $4.5M for the two years. Figure Rip's off the books, so the Bulls are possibly able to use Rip's contract money to pay Hinrich.

    OR

    Maybe Belinelli's deal is backloaded, too. Think about how the Bulls might have signed those guys to $1.4M less combined this season and make it up next. Hinrich $2M+$4M, Belinelli $1M + $2.8M.

    AND

    Does Mirotic count against the LT once the season starts and ends and he's never been on the roster? Something to look into.
     
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    As far as Asik goes... I put the odds at 90-10 he's gone. I would be totally shocked to see the Bulls match. It's not the $15M 3rd year that's the problem, it's the $5M first year - if the Chairman refuses to pay the LT.
     
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    Ya Asik is gone.

    Been listening to KC and Friedell on various radio and podcasts. What both of them say makes sense. The bench we had were good enough, but not worth the money we were now paying them with the new CBA. we had to do something. They chose to go cheap. The bench will be alright.
     
  16. transplant

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    Pardon the jumping around.

    They can't backload Hinrich's contract at $1.5-$4.5 since the maximum increase (or decrease) in his case is 4.5%.

    Mirotic is a cap hold only for the offseason. The luxury tax is based on the 13-15 players under contract at season's end.

    The 8 players we know are under contract, Rose, Boozer, Deng, Noah, Rip, Taj, Butler and Teague account for $65.3M. That's all we actually know for sure right now. The plug-in for a vet minimum contract is $854,380 so if they filled the last 5 spots with vet mins, they'd be about $700,000 under the $70.3M tax line.

    What is more likely is that they'll start the season just under the $74.3M LT "apron." Depending on how the season is going and how players are playing, they may attempt to unload some salary (Hamilton the most logical candidate) to get under the $70.3M.

    Of course this assumes they don't shock the world and match Asik.
     
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    Recheck my numbers . I come up with $65M including Mirotic's ~$1M cap hold. That's for the 8 players you listed plus Mirotic.

    I haven't seen a specific amount for Hinrich's contract, but it's near $6M. It could be $5.8M or maybe $6.1M.

    It appears the Bulls are going to sign one of the two guys at vet minimum, Nazr. One more and they have the minimum 12, and that puts them at about $1M over the LT.

    Wouldn't it be funny if we were privy to Gar's spreadsheet and the real numbers are within a few hundred dollars of actually being over the LT?
     
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    I'm pretty sure we're both using Sham's #s. I think the main difference is that I'm looking at the tax situation and you're looking at the cap situation. Also, you're rounding and I'm not. Adding your #s above, assuming you're counting Teague at $0.9M, it adds to the $65.2 you show including Mirotic at $1M.

    For the tax, I don't count Mirotic and have Teague at 120% of the $857,000 ($1,028,400). Anyway, here's what I'm working with:

    Carlos Boozer $15,000,000
    Luol Deng $13,365,000
    Joakim Noah $11,300,000
    Derrick Rose $16,402,500
    Richard Hamilton $5,000,000
    Taj Gibson $2,155,811
    Jimmy Butler $1,066,920
    Marquis Teague $1,028,400

    Total $65,318,631

    While there are temporary exceptions, for tax purposes, the minimum roster size is 13 (12 active and 1 inactive).
     
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    [youtube]y5sIZXpyarE[/youtube]
     

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