So much for run differential...

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  1. Rick2583

    Rick2583 Chairman of the board

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    I forget who brought this statistic up a while back BUT.......The A's are living proof that a high run differential doesn't always = success. Currently they're 4th in the league at +50 and yet there record is only 39-47

    As the announcers just pointed out you also need good defense & good pitching. 2 things the A's lack.
     
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    Eventually Beane's smoke and mirrors act was going to blow up.
     
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    Yeah I just didn't get trading Donaldson.
     
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    ...I wonder who would have fared better; Beane, with Cashman's budget?...Or Cashman, with Beane's budget?

    ...say what you will, but Beane was way ahead of the curve on analytics.
     
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    The people I feel for are the A's fans. You know that as soon as anyone on your team becomes good you're not going to see him around much longer.
     
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    ...^^^ yeah, the A's have been in that mode for awhile now.
     
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    I guess it cuts down on retiring numbers. With only 5 retired to date, Hunter (91), Fingers (93), Jackson (04), Eckersley (05) & Henderson (09) there's not much chance of another one going up anytime in the near future.
     
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    Allow me Rick, my pleasure- I happen to be one of those who recognize and see the connection of having a plus run differential and being a GOOD team.
    How "good"? Let's pick some cherries...take a look around, how many teams are there in first place with a minus run diff? The year before? The year before?

    Let's use a nice round number for starters, the past 10 seasons.
    Not a single team in that period played in the WS with a minus reg season run diff.
    Only TWICE (past 10 seasons) has a ML team with a minus reg season run differential finished in first place. That's 2 out of 60 teams if you're keeping count.

    Only ONCE in the past 10 years has a team (2006 Rockies) finished in last place with a plus run differential, by one run.
    That's ONE out of 60 teams if you're keeping count.


    Yes, I recall past discussions on this subject and historical teams were also brought up such as the 1969 "Amazing Mets" who happened to have a plus 91 run differential.
    And the 1960 Pirates who upset the Yanks - actually having a better run differential than those Yankees.

    I know you couldn't actually believe you were debunking this compelling evidence regarding final regular season plus/minus run differentials by mentioning this current A's team.

    Nobody ever said there were guarantees....plenty of games played by plenty of teams through many years but as far as being a first place team...and a WS team...the percentages are tremendously favorable for teams with PLUS RUN DIFFERENTIAL,

    Same goes for the OTHER way down through the years.... if a team finishes in last place, chances are great they also finished with a negative run differential.

    These A's happen to be a huge flukey abberation..... You'll be hard pressed finding teams who finish in last place and/or 8-9 games under .500 with +50 run differential.

    Talk about CHERRY PICKING ?
    Bringing up these A's in the face of obvious past and present overwhelming numbers is one heck of a cherry pick.
     
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    Beane kicks Cashman's butt with the same budget. That's not even debatable....the science is settled.
     

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