What Are You Guys Worried About?

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  1. kukoc4ever

    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    The Bulls certainly are standing still, other than the coaching change.

    Its sad to see the Bulls sliding down while other teams get better.

    Hopefully Del Hoiberg is a great improvement and we see some real progress. Randy Brown and Pete Meyers are also going to play big roles, let's hope.
     
  2. such sweet thunder

    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

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    Yup. I used to laugh at how teams like Dallas shuffle their roster each off season trying to hit gold on some unexpected roster pairing. But it seems like that's how you have to play things when you have an aging team that hasn't yet seen the mountaintop. The front office's inability to execute a trade, outside of giving up players for essentially nothing when up against the tax threshold, was especially painful this offseason.

    What is the biggest worry going into this season?

    The fear that the front office just hit "repeat" on what was a brutally disappointing last year.
     
  3. _GB

    _GB Bulls Fan Staff Member Moderator

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    Just a note, as long as you troll by saying stuff like "Del Hoiberg", you lose any and all right to complain when you get prodded back.

    :-)
     
  4. Stephen Curry

    Stephen Curry GSW Championship Year

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    Lets try to stick to just Basketball my man :)

    Edit. Dont need any problems just handling the report.
     
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    _GB Bulls Fan Staff Member Moderator

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    I'd love to - see the post above yours. ;)
     
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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Please try to post about basketball if possible, and less about your thoughts on other posters. Thanks.
     
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    transplant Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    As I look at my expectations from a year ago to those I have today, Noah's knees are the main reason they've been lowered. A year ago, Noah had just been named All-NBA first-team and DPOY. His knee surgery was deemed minor. Over the course of the season, we learned more and more...none of it good. In this one year, Noah's gone from elite to used up. This dwarfs the coaching change.
     
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    _GB Bulls Fan Staff Member Moderator

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    I will, and you *please*, stop the trolling. Its beneath you.

    Thanks.
     
  9. kukoc4ever

    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    You are wrong about this. If a respected staff member of the site approaches me about any of my posts I'll be happy to discuss it with them and work with them. I've been posting here for about 8 years now without issue so I think you are very much in the wrong about that analysis. I'll just stick to posting about hoops.

    What is certain and indisputable is that you have been harassing me when I do post here and submit many posts about other posters. For instance, you are resorting to name-calling ("trolling") in the post I'm replying to. You may not like my posting style or what I have to say, that's fine, but dispute my basketball points, don't just name-call. Talk hoops. I'd love to talk hoops with you, if you have any thoughts about that topic.

    I have asked you several times to stop it and it needs to stop right away. Thanks.
     
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    _GB Bulls Fan Staff Member Moderator

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    That's all anyone asks.
     
  11. Stephen Curry

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    Guys. Just leave it alone.
     
  12. rosenthall

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    To be fair, I think the team has until the trade deadline this season before we can officially write them off, but you're basically right.

    We have a talented roster, but a weird one that doesn't quite fit. It's also getting old and now is the time to make a trade for talent that puts them over the top.
     
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    I'm optimistic about their off-court issues not boiling over on the court. They both seem like competitive guys who have their head in the right places, so I don't see it being a Kobe-Shaq thing.

    I'm less optimistic about them as an on-court pairing. I haven't scrutinized numbers yet, but I'm predicting Rose-Butler to be the new Noah/Gasol.

    I'm more worried about the roster itself preventing them from being impact players, regardless of how good they are. Mirotic was pretty good last year but only saw the court for about 15 mpg when the frontcourt was healthy.

    I doubt you can play Dunleavy and McDermott at the same time, and I assume Jimmy will get at least 34 mpg next year, so that doesn't leave a lot of minutes for Doug regardless of how well he plays.
     
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    Your opinion is unique in that, while most people liked the Hoiberg hiring because it'll improve chemistry, you're concerned that it'll ruin it due to lack of leadership.

    A very important point that hasn't been talked about very much is how well our roster fits the Hoiberg system.

    I haven't brought it up yet because I'm not entirely sure what the Hoiberg system is. I know it has lots of motion and three point shooting, but I really don't know specifics.

    I'd say our team has the benefit of solid passing and a veteran team, but the disadvantage of poor shooting in the backcourt.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we're in the same position as last year where we need Mirotic to make the lineups work but can't find enough minutes for him.
     
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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    Yah, I thought the locker room was run quite well. Very little drama the last few years, every one played hard and very little infighting. I'm not sure if it will be worse or better, but its unclear to me who the leader of the team will be. They lost a very strong leader in Thibs. Is Rose and Team Rose a problem? Will Gibson/Mirotic/Gasol/Noah bristle about minutes in a more open environment? Does Butler want to be "the man" over Rose and if yes, who settles that dispute? If McDermott is still the poorest player out of McDermott/Snell/Dunleavy who settles that? We'll see just how good the quality of these players are since the head coach and many of the assistants are pretty wet behind the ears in meaningful roles.

    Chemistry will likely be better between the head coach and the front office.
     
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    ok guys...I haven't had to do this much since I have been here. You know the drill. Basketball talk and all of that jazz. And, players, coaches etc are fair game. Say want you want. But when it comes to each other, remember, the person you are replying to is a Bulls fan. We all have our own quirky way of supporting and venting about the team and players. In other words the posts should not be about each other.

    We have a cozy, mature group here and the fact that I haven't had to say anything for years, speaks volumes about each and everyone of you as posters.
     
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    Wait a second, we're talking about the ex-coach again aren't we? How'd that happen??!?

    I much prefer the model where the coach is a strong partner. MJ was the leader of the Bulls and Phil Jackson was a strong partner. Wade and LeBron were the leaders in Miami, but Spoelstra was a strong partner.

    We have veteran NBA players. They've been around the league for several seasons. They're up to the task and leadership will naturally emerge from among their ranks.

    I think Thibs was probably a rather weak leader. Great coach, poor leader. Not collaborative at all. Lack of drama and infighting could be a sign of good leadership, but it could just as easily be a sign of tyranny. Iraq was much less volatile when Saddam was around, amirite? He kept a relative peace within his borders, but at what cost?

    Remember...Kerr isn't the type of overwhelming personality that Thibs was, and yet there was a remarkable lack of drama and infighting in Golden State too.

    Leadership is my least worry.

    Rose and how well he can play is probably my greatest. Because everything about next seasons achievements will invariably have to do with him.
     
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    I think you could play Dunleavy at power forward against certain matchups and fair pretty darn well. I feel like we saw some of that in the playoffs due to injuries, rookie struggles and foul trouble, right? The problem with making it a regular thing is its hard to find him minutes at the four when you're already three or four deep along the front line. The Noah/Gasol frontcourt pairing is problematic downstream as well as when they're on the court.
     
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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    All we need is a MJ or a Lebron and we're set!

    We'll see. Lots of competing agendas. Mirotic is going to want to take a step up. Noah is going to want his spot back and minutes / next contract. Gasol still has things to prove. He's coming off starting in the all-star game and being on the all-NBA team. I'm sure Taj knows that Thibs was his kind of coach and he'll be playing for his next deal as well. Rose and Team Rose wants to be MVP again and play hero ball. Butler, as the likely better player, is going to want to further establish himself. McDermott and McDermott's dad wants to establish Dougie in the league but Dunleavey and Snell are ahead of him. I just feel bad for Portis. Thibs held it all together for the most part drama-free. It will be interesting to see what happens when everyone is left to their own devices, especially with a wet behind the ears coaching staff. It could be fine. It could very well be a mess. The front office could also decide to start smearing Rose again if they are paving the path to get him out of town and they are getting blowback from Team Rose.

    Most feel that Iraq was better off with Saddam, before its became the ungovernable and dangerous bloodbath it is today.

    Dinner with the tyrant?

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    That is true. Kerr also had very strong, established / great assistant coaches in Ron Adams and Gentry. Some of our guys have decent NBA experience, but most are pretty wet behind the ears.

    We'll see how it all plays out. What is pretty established is that unlike last season, noone thinks the Bulls will challenge for the NBA title.
     
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    _GB Bulls Fan Staff Member Moderator

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    True or false, K4E? Same roster, but swap Hoiberg for Thibs, and we'd be challenging for the NBA title this season. A one word answer, please.

    * Plenty of teams have strong player leadership without having a GOAT candidate. You know this. (smh)

    * There are no competing agendas, by the way, at least not in the real world. Butler was playing for his next contract - and still stayed within the team concept. No reason to except any different from anyone else. Lets not make up stuff - there'll be plenty to complain about once the season starts.
    There always is.

    * Yes, dinner with Thibs. It disproves (nor proves) anything. Thibs could have been trying to heal breaches for all we know.

    * Do you really, truly, honestly believe Adams and Gentry ran that team for Kerr? No. No you don't. No more than you believe Boylen will run the Bulls for Hoiberg.
     
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