Merged: The Draft Thread For Stuff About The Draft Including Thoughts About The Draft

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  1. tester551

    tester551 Well-Known Member

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    It's like you have no concept of how finances work.... can you even balance a checking account?

    Elezili's contact has NO positive value. It is a $1M liability. The only benefit it has is to a team looking to reduce payroll. There are only 2 teams in that situation (Portland & Cleveland).

    Portland could PAY a team to take on his $1M cap hit, bit that really isn't worth it
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Regarding the trade for TPE. We did it for the Cavs when we took Varejao off their hands. We got their 1st round pick in the deal, they got a $9.6M TPE they got to use to go further/way over the LT to sign Kyle Korver.

    https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/02/two-cavaliers-traded-player-exceptions-expire.html

    We might not want to use a TPE at all, but we would be better off having the choice to use it rather than outright cap space. The TPE does count against the salary cap, so we'd want to do all the deals we can to get under/up to the LT before dealing for the TPE. The TPE doesn't count against the LT so we wouldn't be penalized for it.

    In effect, the team giving us the TPE would be paying $1M (of cap space) for a 1st or 2nd pick, or whatever we add to sweeten the deal.

    Suppose massive injuries hit the Cavs and Warriors and we look like we're the best team. At some point, we might want to go over the LT using the TPE to strengthen the team and our chances.

    Otherwise, we just let it expire (in 365 days) and we gained $1M of cap space since we didn't have to pay him his guaranteed amount.

    http://midlevelexceptional.com/2014/07/03/nba-salary-cap-trade-exception/

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  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Dude,

    The cavs gave us their 1st round pick to take Varejao off their hands, a $1.9M/year cap hit for us once we waived him and used the stretch provision.

    Teams under the cap could get even further under by trading a $8M+ salary to us and then cut Ezeli. They'd use even more cap space to sign FAs.
     
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  4. PtldPlatypus

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    This is probably about the only reasonable possibility. However, I can't imagine that we would part with a pick for the privilege of creating a trade exception we'd be incredibly unlikely to use.
     
  5. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I'd think it'd be a 2nd round pick we'd use.

    It's irrelevant because I haven't seen any evidence he's actually tradeable.

    Plus we simply do not know what our roster will look like by the time we'd have to refuse Ezeli's option. Maybe we'd want to pay the LT (say we traded for LeBron or something). Always best to have the options.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    You've seen it; you've simply dismissed it because it doesn't fit your preconception.
     
  7. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Is that headline "official"? Talk is cheap. I don't think it's official until it actually happens.
     
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    With Portland's history with centers you think that will be a problem? I'm hoping we get two healthy ones out of those three and Nurk.
     
  9. TBpup

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    Given Portland's luck with big men, Festus may come back with miraculous results from his surgery and be dominant down the road.
     
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    Don't know why, but I'm trying one more time.

    It occurs to me that you're misinterpreting the definition of the term "team option." Per CBA FAQ 59, a team option or (player option) is a mechanism in a contract to add a year (or multiple years in certain circumstances, a la the afore-mentioned Ryan Gomes deal). Prior to the exercising of that option, that year isn't actually a part of the contract. The very fact that there is a partial guarantee for 2017-18 demonstrates that the second year is not a team option--there can be no guaranteed money in an option year until that option is exercised.

    This will be my final post on this topic. The evidence is definitive. There is no team option; it is a partially-guaranteed second year, hence he could be traded (but he won't be, because there's not a reasonable scenario in which it would happen).
     
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    You're a brave man. God bless you!
     
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    You've seen it, but deny the news reports are accurate (they specifically say it's a team option), and then they're NO's actions which indicate it's an option.



    TEAM OPTION
     
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    It is essentially a team option, but it's not. The team has the option to waive him and save money, thus giving the team an option to decline the players 2nd year. However, it's not a true team option. It's easier to report "His 2nd year is a team option" than "He has a partially guaranteed contract worth $1M for his 2nd year". A lot of fans wouldn't understand what a partially guaranteed contract means.
     
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    Lest not turn a draft thread into an Ezeli thread, mmm'kay?
     
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    We have like 3 draft threads already so were whittling it down.
     
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    Im not saying it's an even comparison between the two players just that they had similar paths to the nba. I wouldnt either with the pick maybe cle pick tho although that would mean we didnt like any of the wings available at 15 and are looking for a high upside project. Which I hate the idea of.
     
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    Y'all are making me sour on Ferguson too.

    Shit man, I'm starting to dislike all the top prospects at 15. We should trade it.
     
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    If Collins, Jarrett, Jackson, and Anunoby all go between 10-14 as DE projects, Anigbogu might be our best option at 15.
     

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