OT Was Robert E. Lee really all that evil?

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  1. Minstrel

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    Hahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That's the kind of thing I was thinking about. My idea was a statue of Flavor Flav pointing and laughing at Robert E Lee and the like.
     
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    Myself, I find I just don't connect with the country in that era. It is just history to me, not good or bad. I suppose it is partly due to, I have no family history in this country that far back.
     
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    I only connect with a certain orange 69 charger I saw fly through the air as a kid. Watching it now I notice that the car collapsed on many landings. Kids, maybe it was just a small tv that caused it. Yeah, that's it.
     
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    You know, I am pretty sure the guy aligned with racists.

    I realize now that I want him dead.
     
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    Ain't going to happen on a second degree charge.
     
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    I'm talking about Robert E Lee. I have been reading about him in this thread. He's a bad dude.

    It would be preferable to him continuing to lead the South.
     
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    That's because he's NOT. I guarantee you that half the morons protesting his statue don't even know that he was an officer in the Union Army (US Army) before he was a Confederate. They probably think that he just woke up one day and boom...Confederate.

    If they think he's evil, I'd like to know what they think of Oskar Schindler. He actually profited, for a time, off of Jewish slave labor for the Nazi regime, and he was, until Germany's surrender, a member of the Nazi Party.

    I don't think Schindler was evil. Nor do I think General Lee is the American Anti-Christ that the Left is making him out to be. Of all the things that they could choose to focus on that were bad about the Civil War, Lee should not be one of them.
     
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    i think your perception is wrong. its not that he was evil in and of itself, but that the statues of lee, most of which were erected during the Jim Crow period of our history, represent the force that defended slavery, the confederate army.
     
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    if it was a statue of Lee, out of uniform and representing him as president of Washington college, i doubt the KKK would be there to protest taking it down nor would it likely have been counter protested, hell, no one would have wanted it down in the first place.
     
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    Ok. :dunno:
     
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    So how do you feel about Benedict Arnold? He also was an officer in the Army before he defected to the enemy. Is he also good?

    How about if, say, Gen. John Nicholson, currently in Afghanistan, defects to the Taliban. Would you be in favor of putting up statues of him?

    Lee probably wasn't evil personally. But he fought against the United States.

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    Or honor. Lee was one of the great military leaders of his time, prior to the civil war. A war hero in previous wars. In those times, there was more allegiance to state than to country. We were the United States, not a big country but actual united states. He saw it as his duty to defend his state.

    Most of the people from the South that I've seen write about their feelings about the flag and statues say that race has nothing to do with their POV. It's about pride to them - being proud to be from the South.

    Senators and congressmen who had the confederate flag on the wall in their offices quite recently (maybe until recently) are ones who are denouncing the KKK and neo nazis (etc.). If these extreme groups mattered, or these elected leaders felt the flag was about race, I see no reason why they wouldn't come out and say so.

    Clearly for some people, the flag represents something else. This is the debate, and a fair one.
     
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    You parrot talking points quite well.

    This is the spin that's on TV the past couple of days.

    Have any original thoughts?
     
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    Really? The TV speculated on the defection of Gen. Nicholson to the Taliban? I'd be interested to know what show you saw that on, it sounds like a good one!

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    I was joking. You know, like someone here wants the President dead as it is preferable to him being President?
     
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    The whole "no moral equivalency between the two" bit is spin. Your analogy notwithstanding.

    The US flag flew over the country for nearly a century of slavery.

    Washington was a traitor to his country (England). He fought for a new country that had lawful slavery, while the country he defected from had outlawed it several decades earlier. He owned slaves and didn't free any (or maybe a very small number).

    Even after the Civil War, statues were erected in the victorious North and in D.C. The United States (it was one nation at that point) erected statues to a traitor?

    This is yet another laughable bit of spin by the media and those who are duped by it.
     
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    I will be honest. Like Denny, I don't really care if the statues stay or go. However, I can understand how some or even many might feel as though it glorifies the South and its system of slavery during and before the Civil War. And if they want them down, that's perfectly fine with me. In fact, maybe they are right. What I don't understand is the willingness of some to argue with any conviction for their continued presence. Like, why do you care?
     
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