Bogus! Trump's latest presser

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  1. Denny Crane

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    I'm ambivalent about the statues. I simply don't care if they're removed or not.

    Even if they were put up as part of Jim Crow, they're still of historical value.

    It's also easy to look back in time using the lens today's sensibilities and condemn, but an honest review of history requires consideration of the context of the times back then.

    Lee and Washington both denounced slavery, yet held slaves. At the time, they felt the slaves better off than horribly mistreated as free men. Obviously, we all know everyone is better as a free Man, but there weren't food stamps or ObamaPhones or grocery stores or public education (or many educated slaves). All that fed into their POV.

    History since then has shown that black people, like anyone else, thrive if left to their own devices and don't have their property burned to the ground by the cops or lynch mobs.
     
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    And yet you continue to insult me. Thanks.

    I posted two links and two headlines. The bit you quoted was deliberately altered, taken out of context (which was the flip flop of the news source), and attributing the words of the headline to me. Which makes it a lie. I called it so.
     
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    The views expressed were not surprising, said Michael Henderson, the research director at LSU's Public Policy Research Lab. He worked on the poll.

    "Louisiana is a socially conservative state, a Southern state," he said.

    Both polls found tolerance toward Confederate symbols, even among blacks.
     
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    If the constitution doesn't matter, they don't.

    It seems we're already past the point where the president isn't much more than a figurehead with limited powers. This government is writing the checks to those sucking off its teets, still. The military is as ready as ever. The national parks are open.

    In spite of Trump and the claims he's done nothing.

    This doesn't mean the president or government only does good things.
     
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    OMG, you've gone full snowflake.

    Posting various William Shatner pictures is not a personal insult.
     
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    you and I were talking about national polls about monuments removal vs. states rights and local governance.
     
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    You were talking about political expediency. The polls suggest leaving the statues, yet the politicians are bowing to a vocal minority (as the polls show).
     
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    Another insult.
     
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    There will be no end to this bullshit, until fear swings the balance to civility.
     
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    Trump denies he thinks there's a moral equivalency between the KKK and people like Ms Heyer.



     
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    Actually I think it is worse than bowing. Using the vocal minority as the vehicle, perhaps even stoking the vocal minority.
     
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    Speaking about the polls, they were far off during the election last year, and they current numbers seem to be supporting Republicans where it counts:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/346680-post-election-chaos-leaves-dnc-far-behind-in-fundraising

    The DNC raised $38.2 million in the first half of the year, compared with the Republican National Committee's (RNC) $75.4 million haul during that period — a $37.2 million difference. As of June 30, the RNC has almost $45 million in the bank, while the DNC has just under $7.5 million, along with $3 million in debt.

    Many Democrats are frustrated by the sluggish fundraising pace, which comes even as President Trump's sagging approval rating drives Democratic outrage across the country.
     
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    An insult, not another insult.
     
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    you protest the decision of local governance yet decry big brothers interference. not very libertarian . even if the state views support a point of view not shared by the smaller governance institutions, shouldn't the local decision supercede in this case? in a libertarians point of view?
     
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    Psst... that was fake news.

    A couple of strip clubs use $2 bills as change so the strippers make more in tips. It wasn't politically motivated.
     
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    One of my original points still stands.

    If the radical violent left didn't show up, the Nazis march and go home. No violence, nothing even newsworthy. The media absolutely has a hand in egging them on and stirring up shit.
     
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    Jefferson went broke attempting to make life the best he could with the resources available at Monticello.
     
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    I decry nothing of the sort. I said I was ambivalent about the statues. This was meant to suggest that the people who live there should decide, not some vocal minority from Berkeley.
     

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