Politics In One Tweet, Donald Trump Just Spread Fake History, Libeled a Hero, & Admired a War Criminal

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    Just minutes ago the president of the United States – the man who just yesterday said, “When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts” – fired out a tweet apparently in response to the dreadful terror attack in Barcelona, Spain. Here it is:



    Trump is almost certainly referring to a story he told during the campaign. He claimed that General John J. Pershing crushed an Islamic insurgency in the Philippines by committing a heinous war crime.

    Here’s Trump at a South Carolina rally:

    They were having terrorism problems, just like we do,” Trump said. “And he caught 50 terrorists who did tremendous damage and killed many people. And he took the 50 terrorists, and he took 50 men and he dipped 50 bullets in pigs’ blood — you heard that, right? He took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs’ blood. And he had his men load his rifles, and he lined up the 50 people, and they shot 49 of those people. And the 50th person, he said: You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened. And for 25 years, there wasn’t a problem. Okay? Twenty-five years, there wasn’t a problem ​

    There are multiple problems with this story. First, it’s false. There’s no evidence Pershing did such a thing. In fact, he got the history exactly backwards. Pershing worked hard to avoid inflaming religious fanaticism and worked hard to avoid unnecessary loss of life. For example, read this excerpt from a letter Pershing wrote to the insurgents. The language comes from his own memoir:

    I write you this letter because I am sorry to know that you and your people refuse to do what the government has ordered. You do not give up your arms. Soldiers were sent to Taglibi so that you could come into camp and turn in your guns. When the soldiers went to camp a Taglibi, your Moros fired into camp and tried to kill the soldiers. Then the soldiers had to shoot all Moros who fired upon them. When the soldiers marched through the country, the Moros again shot at them, so the soldiers had to kill several others. I am sorry the soldiers had to kill any Moros. All Moros are the same to me as my children and no father wants to kill his own children. ​

    Those are not the words of a man who commits a religious war crime. A comprehensive report over at Snopes contains a number of other, similar reports in Pershing’s own words. Simply put, Trump libeled an American hero, the man who led American troops through the crucible of the First World War. The president who relentlessly attacks “fake news” keeps advancing “fake history.”

    Trump isn’t just spreading falsehoods, he’s doing so in a context that puts a presidential stamp of approval on war crimes. Even worse, he’s doing it in direct defiance of the warrior ethos of the American military. There is no possible way that any of Trump’s generals would approve of this sentiment. I’ve never met an American officer who would carry out an order to commit an atrocity like this.

    Trump is careening out of control. He says what he wants, when he wants, and neither truth nor consistency nor wisdom nor prudence dictates a single syllable that comes out of his mouth. By many accounts he’s taken to directly defying his advisers simply for the sake of declaring that he’s in charge. This isn’t leadership. It’s a collection of temper tantrums. Unfortunately, those tantrums have consequences.

    One final note – if Trump thinks this tweet is the least bit intimidating to actual jihadists, he’s fundamentally wrong. In fact, it illustrates that he flat-out doesn’t understand our enemy. They respond to actions not words, and words like this serve only to facilitate the radicalization of angry jihadist minds.

    In one tweet Trump spread fake history, libeled an American hero, and signaled a willingness – even eagerness – to commit war crimes. That’s conduct unbecoming the lowliest officer in the military. Coming from the commander-in-chief, it’s a complete disgrace.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/450574/donald-trump-tweet-fake-history-libel-war-crime
     
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    Let's review:

    History about Confederate generals - important.

    History about American generals - not important.
     
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    Any one ever been to the Sulu Sea? Just east of the South china Sea.
    The jumping off point is a place call Zamboanga. Geez! You do not want to pull Shore Patrol duty there.

    "Battle With Pirates

    The U.S. Army introduced the .45-caliber automatic to military combat in a battle with Moro pirates on Jolo Island in the Philippines in 1913.

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    But during the 50 years that the Philippines was a territory of the United States, the Americans never succeeded in taming the fierce Muslim tribes of the southernmost island of Mindanao.

    Neither did the Japanese during their occupation in World War II, nor the Spanish during their 350 years as colonial masters that ended with the Spanish-American War of 1898.

    Not even former President Ferdinand E. Marcos, who ruled the Philippines with the help of powerful armed forces for two decades, could subdue the Islamic Moros of southern Mindanao, where the death toll from a Muslim insurgency in the 1970s reached into the hundreds of thousands."

    I don't know if the Pershing story is true or not. I think it was lifted from a British army tale from India.
     
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    Here is the essence of this article.

    "words like this serve only to facilitate the radicalization of angry jihadist minds."

    Complete bullshit by the author. He has no clue what he is talking about. I seriously doubt he ever met a Moro.
    I can tell you, there is not a damn thing, you, I, or the President can say to radicalize one of them.

    The Review sucks these days, Buckley is gone and the Review is too.
     
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    No, the essence of the article is that Trump is talking out his fucking ass.
     
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    My opinion is, you are out of bounds.
     
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    You're right, I don't know and I don't want to know if his ass can talk.
     
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    Serious question....... All policies aside....... doesn't it worry you a bit, even a small amount, that almost every tweet or statement he makes seems to not be truthful. Doesn't matter the topic. It seems to be a very bad habit for the leader of the USA to constantly be so dishonest. Do you agree?
     
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    Proof positive that Trump thinks without facts, speaks without the facts. I am so glad I did not endorse him ....Ever.
     
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    The funniest part is that he won the election and would do so again if it were held today.
     
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    I believe the word you are looking for "saddest"
     
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    I think that's a ridiculous speculation, but hey....he's got your vote
     
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    I'd still vote Libertarian.

    Why do people want to ascribe things to me that aren't real?
     
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    you've been Trump's biggest spin doctor since mags left the board, I'd say that's real at least around here
     
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    Denny doesn't like being judged by his words, he prefers to be judged by the label he chooses to associate himself with.

    So, he'll say that anyone who disagree with a (Republican) president during a war is a traitor, but he'll insist you consider him a libertarian.

    Everyone has their own quirks.
     
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    I've been presenting the facts. I do root for the president to succeed for all our benefit. I wanted Obama to succeed, too, but he never saw the light or showed much competence.
     
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    how's that workin' out for ya? I had that same hope for a couple months...now, I'm done....he's a photo negative of American success. He had every opportunity to build public trust and unite the nation behind good policies and healthy global diplomacy.....fact...he's just incapable of thinking about anything except his own popularity and will lie to us to prop himself up...it's failed.
     
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