Politics Trump claims previous presidents didn't call families of fallen soldiers

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  1. DaLincolnJones

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    Yeah..anytime a conversation trends away from his thinking, he just goes in freak out mode and starts posting random shit.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Having people pissed at you because you sent their kid/spouse to die is part of the job as president, as Bush or Obama would have told him if he'd been interested. He'd better get used to it, he hasn't seen anything on that front yet.

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    Quit drinking @Rastapopoulos' tweet-infused kool-aid. You're playing right into the hands of the professional outrage manufacturers. This is literally all these people do. They dig through transcripts and cherry-pick segments of sentences that could be contrived as inappropriate, then proceed to tweet the shit out of their invented bullshit. Then people like you come along and hit 'retweet'.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    My wife told me Morgan Freeman died the other day. Just another Facebook hoax as usual. Dude has 9 lives. So does Bon Jovi
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Sorta like the Russians did in the election, you mean?

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  6. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    1) Openly gay without regard for sex, but gender.
    2) Openly transgender without regard for
    3) Training on things that are not "general military" requirements.

    I'm all for anyone who can do the job doing the job. A woman makes it through Ranger school? Fantastic, good for her, I probably couldn't right now after 2 tours overseas. REducing requirements and standards to ensure a woman passes? Unsatisfactory social engineering bullshit (and since SECDEF has said so, I can say so. ;) )

    Putting women onboard submarines is another example. I understand the logic behind "it just takes brains to be a nuclear engineer, doesn't matter if they have a Y chromosome or not". But the concept is flawed at the societal level. If it doesn't matter, why are there separate bathrooms for women and men? If it does matter, why are there no issues with gay personnel conducting their bathroom business with members of the gender they're sexually attracted to? If you're going to segregate, why is it that there is one bathroom for 150 men onboard the ship, but one for the 9 women? It's much easier for officers, who have tighter quarters and (presumably) more education and self-control and leadership, but there have still been problems with that as well, that I don't want to go into, but you can probably google. The British Navy just had to transfer crews off their nuclear ballistic subs b/c of a sex scandal with the CO, XO and other officers...which wouldn't be a scandal at any other job I've worked at.

    This is literally the Fiscal Year 18 General Military Training list. I (and everyone in the Navy) must complete these or be separated from the Navy. Tell me which of these stop sailors from being killed when running into another ship:
    (1) Sexual Assault Prevention and Response (SAPR) Awareness (F2F)*
    (2) Equal Opportunity/Sexual Harassment/Grievance Procedures (F2F)
    (3) Suicide Prevention (F2F)
    (4) Antiterrorism Level 1 Awareness (F2F/computer-based)
    Course number: CENSECFOR-AT-010-1.0
    (5) Counterintelligence Awareness and Reporting (NCIS/computer-based)
    Course number: DOD-CIAR-1.0
    (6) Combating Trafficking in Persons (F2F/computer-based)
    Course number: DOD-CTIP-2.0
    (7) Cyber Awareness Challenge (computer-based only)
    Course number: DOD-IAA-V14.0
    (8) Operations Security (F2F/computer-based/mobile)
    Course number: NIOC-USOPSEC-2.0
    (9) DON Annual Privacy Training (F2F/computer-based/mobile)
    Course number: DOD-PRIV-1.0
    (10) Records Management (F2F/computer-based/mobile)
    Course number: DOR-RM-010-1.2
    Additionally, we completed Transgender Awareness Training earlier this year as a stand-down, do not conduct any operations until it's finished course. Which I actually learned a lot from and was glad for, but it has since probably been overcome by policy.

    Tell me which of those are "warfighting" courses, which are "cover the military's ass" courses, and which are "touchy-feely" courses.

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    Nope. In before Obama/Hagel/Mabus, still (grace of God) standing after. I've already done the hardest things I'll ever do in the military, knock on wood. But asking 18y/o's to sign up for this? Already, only 17% or so of the military-age range qualify physically to even attempt to enlist (before academic testing, non-felonies, drug use, security clearances, etc). When the best and most fit of America decides they'd rather not (and the numbers are going down, even though the PResident wants much higher force levels), where does that leave the other 99.5% of society that is NOT serving in the military?
     
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    Maybe Trump could just stop saying things that make him sound like prolapsed asshole? It shouldn't be that hard.
     
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    #putitdown
     
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    It would be nice of him. The mental health of millions of people would be better.

    They could put down the phone and avoid things that make them lose their minds but that hasn't happened so far.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    It really is simple. Just act like a president.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    You gonna sit hooked to Twitter until he does? I wouldn't if I were you. Gonna be 7 long years
     
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    Fixed it for you.

    Serous questions: Do you truly think Trump has been doing a good job? Do you think he is a decent human being?
     
  13. barfo

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    Not sure I completely understand what that even means.

    Which of those do you think is unnecessary? All of them?

    Well, that's a problem, for sure (not just for the military).

    It leaves them doing things other than serving in the military. I'm not dissing the military, but there are other things a young person might want to do with their life, it isn't for everyone. Now, if you are saying that the quality of recruits is so low that the Navy can't even drive ships around anymore without crashing, then maybe we need to bring back the draft and/or up the pay/benefits to attract a better class of recruit. Before I signed onto that plan I'd want to know if the crashes happened because of poor quality sailors, or just because everyone on board was blind drunk.

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    What difference does it make? I haven't liked any of them since Clinton.

    Say you're all right about everything, am I supposed to get so mad I run for office just to impeach him?
     
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    Doesn't matter what I think...you and the taxpayers on here are the ones who get to decide. I'd say that, Python Programming, or a "Best of TED Talks", or "how to exercise and eat properly in a deployment-tempo environment" would all be useful to some extent, but are not a core part of our warfighting effort. Put it this way...how many person-trafficking rings do you think have been busted up because Navy personnel were on a sharp lookout? How many sailors have been told "frequenting places of prostitution is against military regulation" and thought "fuck it, I'm going", but once they passed the Trafficking in Persons training were like "Oh, shit, maybe I shouldn't do that anymore?" How many people passed their Information Awareness training, only to see the goddamned Secretary of State and all of her minions openly violating the rules in the training, only to hear "Nope, Nothing to See Here!"?
    What I'm saying is that, if the 30 or so hours that went into the training above had been put into, I don't know, "How to Be a Lookout" or "What 'Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range' Means" or into passing inspections and doing maintenance, maybe the Fleet would be better. Maybe 17 sailors wouldn't be in the grave right now.
    I'm saying the quality of personnel is lower than it should be because of the choices of the last 24 years of leadership (before this one, because I don't get to comment on the current C-i-C), none of whom have served in anything higher than as a Lieutenant in the National Guard. Choices that were not based on making our force a more lethal force, or a more well-trained force, or a force ready to take on 21st Century battles, or even a force more apt to help in humanitarian and nation-building circles, but one based on preconceived notions of gender studies professionals and not warrior-leaders.
     
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    You should know what you are talking about before you spout off. You have no idea how much I read or know about these subjects, and let's just say, it's not insignificant (hope that double negative didn't confuse you!)

    There is nothing out of context about what the president said about Obama and Bush. And it was, as usual, a lie.
     
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    Oh, I don't know about that. You get just as many votes as I do. And I'd guess you have at least some small opportunities to influence the workings of the military from the inside.

    Should everything you do be core warfighting effort? Maybe it should, I don't know. I suppose you could give up having families and so on because that's got to be a distraction.

    Maybe. So I think you are saying that the Navy doesn't teach "how to be a lookout", or doesn't teach it enough. That's bad - but is the cause really a lack of hours due to the constraints of sexual harassment training? 30 hours in a work year isn't a huge amount, although maybe I'm making an unwarranted assumption that sailors spend more than 40 hours at work per week?

    I'd suggest that there might be other reasons the quality of personnel has declined as well, although I'm not the expert here. And that the military is not something completely apart from the rest of our society. If we just wanted killing machines, I guess we'd segregate you from the rest of the population at an early age, and never let you reintegrate. Then we would be free to take whatever measures would produce the most ruthlessly efficient warriors.

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    Please elaborate with your big scary non-insignificant wealth of knowledge on 'these subjects'. Drop a couple more double negatives for us knuckle-draggers to ogle over, while your at it.

    Why not drop the knowledge bomb on us, instead of threatening to? Or you could just call Trump a fat fucking cunt fuck piece of fuck shit some more, cuz you're smart and know stuff about things.
     
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    @jonnyboy - me thinks thou doth protest - and curse! - too much.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Well, Trump is utterly unqualified to be commander-in-chief. I know you can't say so, but if you agree, just use a vowel in your next post. We'll know what you mean.

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